Talk:Gymnasium (ancient Greece)
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I added a reference for the point that gymnasia may have encouraged erotic attachments. If anyone has a better or more general one, please substitute it.
I took out Around 1598, the commonly understood meaning of the term changed from "place to be naked" to "place of exercise". Heaven knows what 1598 has to do with it. Gymnasion already meant that in ancient Greek. "Place to strip" is the etymology, not the meaning. Andrew Dalby 09:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the edits - I've been trying to clean up the grammar in the article a bit (heaven knows why, I guess I find it somewhat soothing), but have been having some trouble determining the original meaning of the work at some points. That makes it hard to reword things, etc. for grammar purposes, so any fact checks by someone more knowledgeable on the subject than I would be much appreciated! Thanks, Alsandair 00:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
- Heaven knows you're doing a worthwhile job ... Andrew Dalby 12:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- Is the etymology section correct then? It currently states that gymnasium is Greek for "place to be naked". Should I fix it? Alsandair 20:53, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Removed the copyedit tag
I think this article looks to be in good shape from a grammatical, stylistic, usage, spelling, etc. point of view, so I removed the copyedit tag. If someone disagrees, I wouldn't mind at all if it were put back - there's always room for improvement! (Sorry for the cliché!) Thanks, Alsandair 18:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. I'm sorry I took so long to respond about the etymology. I have now revised this section a little. I have removed the "fact" tags here because the facts can easily be verified in other encyclopedias and dictionaries. I took out the sentence about the word "gym" because that doesn't seem relevant to "Gymnasium (ancient Greece)" -- but put it back if you disagree! Andrew Dalby 19:10, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Looks good to me - thanks! Alsandair 19:28, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I added unreferenced templates to the sections on organisation and development/legacy, as these have a lot of unsourced statements. I already tagged most of the stuff with the "fact" template though, so I'm not sure if this is redundant, or a bad idea for other reasons. Just hoping somebody might notice it within the huge backlog and give it some attention. Feel free to revert me if anyone disagrees! Thanks, Alsandair 00:09, 30 October 2006 (UTC
Something needs to be done about the picture on this article. It shows a picture of gynasium in Pompeii. This is of course a Roman town. I would suggest that this detracts from the article. Surely it would be better to use a Greek example of gymnasium. If an example cannot be found then I would say that the picture should be kept except with some sort of proviso.
Furthermore that captions needs to be changed drastically. The whole caption is almost completely irrelevant. As well as to my mind being factually suspect. The claim about mock naval battles does not to my mind ring true (although of course I am willing to defer to anyone who knows better. My knowledge being far from encyclopaedic on this matter).
Pausanias 01:47, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
- A better idea, if you want to be a stickler about it, is to change the title of the article. A gymnasium in antiquity was a gymnasium pretty much wherever you went, a la McDonald's so to speak. Greece was not confined to its present borders and its culture extend to Italy and well beyond. Also, the Pompeii gymnasium has been preserved for us intact. What are you going to replace it with? As for mock naval battles, do a search for that phrase and see how many examples you come up with. And as for the caption, better a fuller caption than to have readers gape in confusion at an a picture without a proper description. Haiduc 05:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)