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edit·history·watch·refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for HAL Tejas:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:
  • Update : Update language- needs to be brought up-to-date: Eg. will fly --> has flown (for eg, flight trials in Arakkonam)
  • Other : Check all text for further WP:COPYPASTE and WP:PARAPHRASE problems

General characteristics section and references[edit]

I was viewing the General Characteristics section of this article and as i looked to the references for that section all three of those references have different data for the LCA...... for example reference 76 says LCA has a G limit of +9/-3.5G's which is not even included in the section but it should be

Reference 77 has a dead page so i don't even know how someone could use that as a reference Onlyonfridays (talk) 04:30, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Will look into it. Yes Michael?Talk 10:02, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
Add a {{dead link}} tag and see WP:Link rot for how to handle it. Update: The links in references 76, 77 78 are all working for me now. -Fnlayson (talk) 15:41, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

they all work for me now as well but anyways in reference 77 it says LCA has thrust weight ratio of 1.07 and a service ceiling of 50,000 feet and a empty weight of 6,500kg but it doesn't show that for the general characteristics section it has something different written on there and just wondering can I add the Angle of attack and the G limits to the general characteristics section since ref 76 and 77 show data for both of them? Onlyonfridays (talk) 20:01, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

thrust weight ratio[edit]

on here it says the Tejas thrust weight ratio is 0.91 but in reference 76 it says its 1.07 i'll take the liberty of correcting it --Honorprevails123 (talk) 00:09, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

The source doesnt calculate the ratio in the same fashion as wikipedia aviation articles. Unless another thrust is presented with a lower weight or higher thrust the ratio cant be changed. -Nem1yan (talk) 00:33, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

understood. thanks for explaining --Honorprevails123 (talk) 03:02, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

comparison with other 4th gen fighters[edit]

could we create a section comparing Tejas to other 4th generation fighter jets? in terms of avionics and aerodynamics? --Honorprevails123 (talk) 03:16, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

From what I've been told the list was removed from this article due to heavy vandalism (or something along those lines). I'm not against adding one again, but there might be some friction when deciding which aircraft belong on the list. -Nem1yan (talk) 15:55, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

well since Tejas is a 4th gen fighter it should compare well with other 4th gen fighters in terms of avionics and aerodynamics i'm guessing any other 4th gen fighter jet can compare with it e.g F-16, Mirage 2000, MiG-29 etc --Honorprevails123 (talk) 22:19, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Comparison sections tend to be discoraged as they tend to be WP:OR magnets - and in this case it will just attract POV edit warring - its best left out.Nigel Ish (talk) 22:52, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I support comparison section. If aircrafts, like Gripen, F-16, F-CK-1, Tigershark already feature Tejas as 'comparable aircraft' so what exactly is the problem if it too mention those as 'Comparable aircraft'? I suggest we put fighters that are really comparable i.e. not just in same gen but also same wight class (like Gripen) in 'Comparable' tab and those who cause controversy (like F/A-18) in 'See Also' tab. Swift&silent (talk) 13:00, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

The comparable aircraft list in the See also section is not a comparison section. This list was removed here due to edit warring over it. This has been done with a couple other articles for the same reason. -Fnlayson (talk) 15:03, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
The similar aircraft list was removed as it caused edit wars and was really all opinion based. So we dont need the list or any comparison, the readers can use the specification section and related text and do comparisons themselves. MilborneOne (talk) 15:40, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
@Fnlayson Thanks for clearing things out. I got confused as MilborneOne reverted this edit [[1]] in which I added 'Comparable Aircraft' section. This section was added simply because Gripen has same section linking to this aircraft and thus it seemed logical to add this section. MilborneOne stated that "article consensus was not to include comparable aircraft". So, I got confused. Whats your take on adding Gripen in 'Comparable aircraft' section. If you think it will cause disruption then I too will agree on removal of that section. Swift&silent (talk) 17:47, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

My latest ref added to this article says that even the IAF doesn't think it is a 4th gen fighter. Also, why are our prices in dollars? Hcobb (talk) 15:07, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

So no RS showing that this is the one and only 4th gen fighter with a simple delta wing? Hcobb (talk) 02:46, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

permission to remove Python 5 from armaments section[edit]

there is no source that says the Israeli Python 5 missile is used on the LCA Tejas or will be used on the LCA Tejas the R-77, R-73, Astra, and Derby missiles have sources that indicate they will be used on the LCA Tejas but no source for the Python 5 --Honorprevails123 (talk) 13:14, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Source about Derby for LCA Tejas | link.इति इतिUAनेति नेति Humour Thisthat2011 15:58, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Some updated info for future reference[edit]

HAL pegs price of Tejas fighter at Rs 162 crore Anir1uph | talk | contrib 11:56, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

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Copyright violations[edit]

I have removed some blatant WP:COPYPASTE copyright violations from this article. I haven't quick-failed the GA nomination (for now), because the editor in question is not responsible for most of the article content, so I don't know if there are more similar problems in the current version of the article or not.

However, any GA reviewer will need to pay particularly careful attention to such possible additional problems, and also the removed section will need re-writing without copyright violations. See also WP:PARAPHRASE. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:49, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

@Demiurge1000: I just failed the article on that basis (See here). TBPH it's a huge problem with the whole article and I don't know how to immediately address or fix it. I know I can't just stub the article down, but that's really the only thing I can imagine if there isn't someone who is heavily interested in the topic willing to do a top to bottom re-write. Protonk (talk) 22:48, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

"pure delta" - change to "pure double delta"[edit]

"Tejas has a pure delta wing configuration" - Looks like double delta to me, with less ° swept at rroots (normal couble delta are reverse). - sources http://de.scribd.com/doc/78345390/Approach-to-High-Angle-of-Attack-Testing-of-Light-Combat-Aircraft-LCA-Tejas http://www.avionews.com/index.php?corpo=see_news_home.php&news_id=1138201&pagina_chiamante=index.php

Lastdingo (talk) 02:36, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Plan to stub/shorten to resolve plagiarism issues[edit]

Since I haven't gotten much response from the aircraft and milhist wikiprojects and I haven't had a response from the GA nominator, I'm planning to stub down this article in an attempt to resolve plagiarism issues I discovered during the GA review.

@Askari Mark, Fnlayson, Nuclearram, BilCat: Letting you folks know based on the edit history of the article (hard to tell who is heavily involved as the article is a wider collaboration than most GA noms).

Please read the GA review to get a sense of the scale and scope of the problem. I won't edit war over stubbing the page but I may revert isolated attempts to restore content as I can't tell what is plagiarized and what isn't. I would much prefer that the article be comprehensively re-written rather than stubbed down, so I'll wait a few days to see if anyone responds before doing this. Protonk (talk) 14:35, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Wrong Specs[edit]

These are the correct specs as given in the MoD press release [1] LCA Tejas is capable of flying non- stop to destinations over 1700 km away (Ferry Range). It's Radius of Action is upto 500 km depending upon the nature and duration of actual combat. I'm editing the article 2620:117:C080:520:1A03:73FF:FE0A:7671 (talk) 13:53, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

That seems to be a primary source, but neutral 3rd party sources (such as Jane's Information Group/IHS Jane's) are preferred on Wikipedia. -Fnlayson (talk) 23:22, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Tejas Mk3[edit]

I trimmed the mention of the powerplant of the mk3 as the quoted source only says that the Kaveri might be used if the engine gets back on track. (Incidentally, the cited source appears to be a scan of an unknown magazine article hosted on Sribd. How can we be sure that it is a reliable source without more details of the original source of the article, and how can we be sure that we are bit linking to copyvio.)

While there is a source cited in the Kaveri article [2] that suggests that DRDO wants to abandon the engine, it states that the decision has yet to be confirmed by the Indian government.Nigel Ish (talk) 09:21, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

I cant find much evidence that the Mark III actually exists, the Kaveri was originally to power all the Tejas variants but was not ready so the "prototypes" used the GE404. When it wasnt ready for the production aircraft (Mark II) they went with the GE414. MilborneOne (talk) 11:04, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Blog tagged as vs[edit]

This site has been tagged with [verification needed] as it is a blog. However, it is published by CNN-IBN, a reputable news source, and appears to be written by a reputable journalist and so meets WP:NEWSBLOG.Nigel Ish (talk) 10:51, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

OK, I spent most of my time and effort rewriting the text. I only saw blog in the link and was not sure about ibnlive.in.com. -Fnlayson (talk) 19:40, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Bangalore/Bengaluru[edit]

Bangalore has recently been renamed Bengaluru, see for example The Times of India. At present Bengaluru redirects to Bangalore, but I expect that will change at some point. Which name should we use here and now? — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 19:15, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

As long as the article is at Bangalore, per WP:COMMONNAME, that's what should be used, which is why I reverted the change. I've no problem including Bengaluru in parentheses at it's first mention, if others feel it's necessary. - BilCat (talk) 19:57, 18 January 2015 (UTC)