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Question[edit]

Why did the submarine sink in 1943?

question added 23:57, 26 April 2007 from 82.32.50.168; answered in article 18th June 2007. Xyl 54 07:42, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cicogno?[edit]

The name of the ship that sank Thunderbolt was changed to Cicogna; is there a source for this? (here will do, it doesn't have to be a big thing).
It may well be right, but the source used in the article says "Cicogno" so unless there is a reference to the contrary, it would be better to stick with that. Xyl 54 (talk) 14:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Colledge, also quoted, has Cicogna, as do the two online sources here and here. Regia Marina#Corvettes uses Cicogna. corvette Cicogna in google has 2,050 results, to refer to the ship which sank Thunderbolt. corvette Cicogno has two results, both of which are us, and asks whether we meant "corvette Cicogna". Seems that Roskill is the only source which uses Cicogno. I have corrected this accordingly. Benea (talk) 15:29, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cicogna is also Italian for 'Stork', as well as being a not uncommon Italian surname. Benea (talk) 16:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

I put Cicogno originally, using Roskill as the source. Then when I looked in Conway’s I couldn’t find her. I did find Cicogna (Gabbiano class,1 letter difference), but I also found Cigno (Spica Class, 2 letters), so I didn’t want to just make an assumption.

The presentation of the info is nice, by the way; sort of what I had in mind; I didn’t want it to look as if Roskill was saying something he didn’t. Xyl 54 (talk) 17:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for replying veeeery late (I log in en:wiki only once a while...) I can fully conferm that the correct Italian spelling is Cicogna, whose indeed means Stork (if you follow the it.wiki transwiki, you can see in the "alcune specie" paragraph various common names, all "Cicogna" ;) ) But I must notice that I never meet someone named "Cicogna".. Perhaps mr. Benea have misunderstand the folklore here that Storks carry babies ? (random musing of the evening....) Best regards from Italy, dott.Piergiorgio (talk) 19:32, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We have Pasqual Cicogna, and there are a few Italian producers I know of that have the name Cicogna, but I'm happy to assume that it's a more uncommon surname than I first thought. Stork as a surname is a fairly unusual surname in English as well. Benea (talk) 19:45, 25 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not my field at all, this, but I couldn't help noticing the discussion over this ship's name. Roskill, Captain Stephen Wentworth. The War at Sea 1939—1945 Volume III The Offensive Part II (1954). p. 443. In a list of losses there is: "14.3.43. Thunderbolt It. corv. Cicogna off Messina Strait." --Simon Harley (talk | library | book reviews) 20:00, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Carbon dioxide poisoning?[edit]

Carbon dioxide, if I remember correctly, isn't actually poisonous - it kills by asphyxiation, i.e., you suffocate because you can't get any oxygen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maelli (talk • contribs) 17:05, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are correct. But the term 'carbon dioxide poisoning' is in common use so I suggest we keep it here.John M Brear (talk) 10:27, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, carbon dioxide acidifies the blood in sufficient concentrations, but you're more likely to die of lack of oxygen. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 16:31, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fred Lawless[edit]

If I remember correctly, at the end of the radio play Fred Lawless announces that his father was one of the four men who escaped from the submarine. Can anyone confirm this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nick Churchill (talk • contribs) 23:53, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Excessive citations[edit]

In May 2019 twenty "citation needed" tags were added to this article. Since the material is hardly contentious I regard this as vandalism. Dougmcdonell (talk) 20:51, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

At first glance i would say several of the requested citation tags are warranted or at very least not unjustifiable. of course one could remove them all and instead place the {{more references |date=}} template at the top of the article. the article will need more referencing to get past C-class. Without concrete evidence to back up the claim of vandalism, it could be suggested that yours is a case of failing to Assume Good Faith. GraemeLeggett (talk) 21:00, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Panicked Crewman[edit]

The article says that a panicked crewman opened the outer hatch too early, dooming himself and everyone else onboard. But the citation mentioned (https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nostalgia/how-hms-thetis-sank-coast-2729422) doesn't mention that. The only reference to the hatch, besides explaining its method of operation:

"Lt Woods, Stoker Walter Arnold and two other men managed to escape through a hatch – four men died attempting to escape using the same route." LegalUsername (talk) 01:49, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]