Talk:HTC Dream

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Release Date wrong[edit]

The release year should not be 1958. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.252.182.64 (talk) 03:27, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Bluetooth compatibility[edit]

The "Bluetooth compatibility" section of the article seems unnecessary to me. It is simply a mirror of a list found at the T-Mobile forums. I removed it and replaced it with a link to the forums, but had my edit reverted. Does anyone else have an opinion on this? ThinkingInBinary (talk) 17:55, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Nobody has commented on this... I still think Wikipedia is the wrong place to put a list of Bluetooth devices compatible with the G1. It was originally simply a mirror of a thread in T-Mobile's forums, and it can vary as software updates fix things. It belongs on an Android wiki somewhere, not Wikipedia.

If nobody objects, I'm going to remove it. ThinkingInBinary (talk) 00:28, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

32GB MicrSD card support?[edit]

I did not hear this mentioned in the video reference #12. Am I missing something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deeek (talkcontribs) 02:44, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I thought that was a dubious claim, but I never verified it myself. I have heard it mentioned from the google devs, but that doesn't count as a verifiable source. Until we get some confirmation about this, I'm tossing that point. Chaldor (talk) 18:37, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Looks like 16GB MicroSD cards are supported after all.

Photo?[edit]

A photo of the HTC Dream is needed. I tagged the article reqphoto.N2e (talk) 01:42, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

The request was filled, removing tag. Gh5046 (talk) 00:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

GPS[edit]

does this phone have GPS? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheMissileSilo (talkcontribs) 00:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

The official HTC specs page[1] says it does. -- Bovineone (talk) 20:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
added -- Edam (talk) 13:34, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Wifi?[edit]

No wifi feature listed? According to http://t-mobileg1.com/g1-learn-features-details.aspx there is wifi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.126.201.121 (talk) 01:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

This: http://www.htc.com/www/product/g1/specification.html also says it has WiFi, I'm adding it. DtD (talk) 19:09, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

International release dates?[edit]

anyone know? --UltraMagnus (talk) 11:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

T-Mobile?[edit]

Surely T-Mobile shouldn't be included in the article name, as the G1 will be on other networks (such as O2 in the UK). --Beeurd (talk) 20:45, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

The T-Mobile Wing also has the name included, but the Hera has been offered on other networks with slightly different configurations. I think the same thing will happen here. Century (talk) 21:26, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Eh? The HTC P4350 article is called that, not T-Mobile Wing which redirects to HTC P4350 Nil Einne (talk) 14:20, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
In any case, I reverted the move which didn't follow normal procedure. Nil Einne (talk) 14:24, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Most of the other HTC phone pages are named after the HTC model name, and then the list of mobile networks with their rebranded model names are listed in prose form. See for example HTC_Excalibur ("T-Mobile Dash", "BT ToGo", "O2 Xda Cosmo", etc). -- Bovineone (talk) 20:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Is the G1 "tethered" to the T-Mobile network (the way the iPhone is tethered to AT&T)? I.e., if I buy a G1 from T-Mobile, can I use it on other (US) networks? David.Throop (talk) 14:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
The term is "locked", not "tethered" ("tethered" refers to using your phone to provide another device, like a laptop, with data connectivity). Yes, the G1 is locked to T-Mobile when you purchase it. It may or may not be possible to get T-Mobile to unlock it, but it is definitely the "T-Mobile G1" as sold. ThinkingInBinary (talk) 03:52, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

It is possible to get the G1 unlocked from T-Mobile after 90 days,[2] so HTC Dream is a more appropriate article title, with T-Mobile G1 mentioned in the intro. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.68.145 (talk) 19:13, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

CPU[edit]

The CPU states hardware acceleration for Java in the page, true Dalvik VM is different from the Java VM but in reality the Java and Dalvik VMs use many of the same details and Dalvik would likely be accelerated as well as Java. Does anyone have any reason this would not work? If not then I'm going to change the CPU section back to stating acceleration. Nikkelitous (talk) 15:03, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

From what I've heard, Dalvik is fairly different from Java. I think Java is stack-based, while Dalvik is register-based, and some other parts of Dalvik are also simpler to make the VM lighter. Either way, "many of the same details" is *not* enough for Jazelle to work, and it won't. ThinkingInBinary (talk) 03:50, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Why would they use hardware (Java acceleration) and software (Dalvik) that's not compatible? It doesn't make sense. So the OS is unnecessarily slow? Is there a hack to use the hardware acceleration? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.68.145 (talk) 19:15, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

GPS Chip[edit]

The make and model of the GPS Chip is needed. --DataSurfer (talk) 20:29, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Dream uses the GPS functionality provided by the MSM7201A chipset. --swetland —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.5.158 (talk) 21:11, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Bluetooth Chip[edit]

The make and model of the Bluetooth chip is needed. Along with the Bluetooth profiles it supports. --DataSurfer (talk) 20:30, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Google Street View Missing from UK Builds[edit]

This article is US centric. The UK firmware that T-Mobile UK are shipping doesn't include a version of Street View and this should be reflected in the article. 81.151.180.90 (talk) 13:13, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

G1 32GiB SDHC Limit[edit]

Although I wasn't the original poster, surely it is actually pertinent to list the SDHC limit for the phone, because each phone or device as a reader that is not necessarily compatible with the whole standard.

So for some phones can handle an 8GiB SDHC limit but nothing larger. The G1 has hardware that that is actually limited to 32GiB in capacity so it is a pertinent thing to mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.180.90 (talk) 13:09, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

As far as I know, there is no specific size limit for the G1 when it comes to microSDHC cards. If there is one, and you have a reliable source to cite, feel free to add it back to the article. Gh5046 (talk) 18:46, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

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Android Dev Phone 1[edit]

Should this article also contain information about the Android Dev Phone 1? http://code.google.com/android/dev-devices.html Douglaswth (talk) 08:54, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

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Available Colors[edit]

User:Bihco has removed any mention of the color bronze several times now. I'm guessing this is stemming from a lack of availability for the color in the UK. If that is the case, it would be useful to note it in the article rather than removing information that is valid in the US. Also, I'm not sure whether there should be any mention of the color name switch from brown to bronze. Douglaswth (talk) 08:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Change Article Name to HTC Dream[edit]

Clearly this article is no longer just about the G1 but the ADP1 as well. With the release of the ADP1, it's become clear that the "T-Mobile G1" is simply T-Mobile's branding on the Dream, and not the hardware's name itself. The ADP1 actually identifies itself as "Dream" in certain settings menus. This also seems to be the standard for the articles for the other HTC phones, so why not? coolbho3000 (talk) 00:45, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

I would tend to support your point, as would, I think, the December-timeframe discussion above in the section entitled T-Mobile?. If you want to do this, recommend you propose an article Move and see if you can garner a consensus. N2e (talk) 22:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Status of the G1 in the marketplace[edit]

Okay, the HTC Dream/T-Mobile G1 has been out in the market for over three months now. Has anyone seen a good article on it's success or lack of success in the market? How 'bout against the iPhone? Has the product reality lived up to the hype? If so, please add links here so we might improve the article. N2e (talk) 22:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks to User:Jontintinjordan who added the answer to this question to the article! Per reference no. 11 in the current (2009-04-26) version of the article, the HTC Dream has sold 1 million units worldwide in it's first 5-6 months since release, whereas the Apple iPhone sold 3.8 million units worldwide in 1Q2009 alone (same reference), and 1.6 million phones in the US alone during the first quarter.[3] N2e (talk) 02:56, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Battery life[edit]

Although the page specifies some arbitrary official figures regarding battery life, to be a balanced article about the G1 it really needs to mention at least some kinds of warning regarding the very crappy battery life with the stock battery. 86.133.180.2 (talk) 01:45, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Can you provide a citeable supporting source for that information? -- Boracay Bill (talk) 03:43, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Battery life is a big problem. My own experience is that with GPS on, using 3G the phone doesn't make it more than 12 hours on standby. It is the #1 complaint I hear from other users.

Mine can last a week as I don't use it heavily, its all down to how you use a phone.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.159.140 (talk) 02:40, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

The one I bought on e-bay had a battery that no longer would hold a charge. The prices are all over the place but I ordered one new (battery) for less than $20 with shipping. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 19:53, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

CPU Details[edit]

Don't know if this is too techie, but... the article lists the CPU as "dual-core". It actually has 4:

  • Baseband processor, ARM9, running a real-time OS and the GSM stack
  • Baseband DSP, QDSP4000, does coding/decoding for telephony
  • Applications processor, ARM1136EJ-S, running Windows / Linux / etc.
  • Applications DSP, QDSP5000, does coding/decoding for media.

All this, plus:

  • 2D graphics hardware
  • 3D (OpenGL ES 1.1) graphics hardware
  • Media acceleration hardware (for video decode etc.)
  • Numerous codecs
  • Display drivers
  • TV out
  • TV decode (MediaFlo, DVB-H)
  • Camera / camcorder
  • GPS, A-GPS
  • RAM and flash bus controllers
  • Keyboard controller
  • I²C, GPIO, etc.
  • RAM: but not much.

All in a 13 x 13 x 1.4 mm package. There are separate RF and power management chips, 9x9mm and 7x7mm if memory serves. WiFi is an Atheros 6002. Bluetooth is another Qualcomm chip. See the Qualcomm page.

Obviously not all functions are supported in all OSs, nor would you necessarily want to. For example, TV looks nice, but remember the overhead of adding yet another antenna -- on top of the existing 2G, 3G, WiFi, Bluetooth and GPS antennas -- plus the added battery drain. 76.195.252.202 (talk) 16:53, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I've created and linked the MSM7000 page now (and added a footnote regarding the confusing "dual-core" claim), which should (help to) clear things up; feel free to add info there. (Note that I originally just copied the above list, but that seemed like overkill and has in fact also been criticized for having an "ad" touch, so I shortened it. Pflanze2 (talk) 22:26, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Page Move[edit]

Was there a discussion or consensus about the page move? If so, can I have a link to the discussion? Thanks. Law shoot! 16:09, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm actually very against this move as quite clearly HTC refer to this product as the "T-Mobile G1" [4]139.184.222.40 (talk) 12:18, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Do HTC called it the T-Mobile G1 in Singapore or Australia? Didn't think so... I agree the undiscussed move was inappropriate, but this page has been chopping and changing for ages without proper discussion and the HTC Dream was the original title which I reverted to at some stage a long time ago before someone again moved it without consensus. Nil Einne (talk) 21:24, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Software section[edit]

How do people feel about removing most of the software section. This section is pretty much describing android and nothing specific to the dream. We should just mention that it runs Android for the most part. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrismiceli (talkcontribs) 04:48, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

MMS[edit]

Does MMS actually work for anyone without a data plan? The instructions in the link do not work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.167.66.135 (talk) 05:34, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Cross-carrier 3G Compatibility[edit]

According to the article/tech specs, this phone overlaps with the iPhone's connectivity:

G1-- GSM 850 900 1800 1900 MHz GPRS/EDGE

Dual band UMTS 1700 2100 MHz HSDPA/HSUPA

iPhone-- Quad band GSM 850 900 1800 1900 MHz GPRS/EDGE

3G also includes Tri band UMTS 850 1900 2100 MHz HSDPA


Does that mean that one can get the same "3g speeds" for just raw upstream/downstream data on the G1 that one gets on the iPhone? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.153.29.23 (talk) 05:08, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

"Rooting"[edit]

I am expecting to find a difference between Apple and Google in that if you use the Android SDK and associated tools, you can get root access, unlike with iOS which requires a jailbreak. My experience now though with current SDK against a phone with R30 but older doesn't necessarily apply to the situation when the device was new 2 years ago. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 19:57, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism[edit]

I just undone rev. 425703600 and 425704216 by 98.224.26.18 because of vandalism, and 425706792 by AnomieBOT because it changed some of the vandalism back to the original, and thus interfered with undoing the other two.

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:HTC Dream/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Zach Vega (talk · contribs) 00:15, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria


My initial impression with this article is that it's very strong, but my opinion often changes as I get further into the review.

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose is clear and concise, without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:
    B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
    The lead section needs to talk about the hardware and go into the software a little bit more.
    ...And it now does.
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. Has an appropriate reference section:
    B. Citation to reliable sources where necessary:
    The refs are a mess. The dates are inconsistent in format, there's dead links, and work and publisher are mixed up all the time.
    Some problems remain, but much better.
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    Yes, it's good with scope.
    B. Focused:
    Pretty good job on this.
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
    No edit wars or vandalism. Good.
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:
    All images are from Wikimedia Commons.
    B. Images are provided if possible and are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
    You have a photo of the phone running Android 1.6, and a photo of Android 1.6. Redundant much? Also, try to find one or two more photos. This isn't required to pass GAN, just a nice addition.
    This can be dealt with outside of the GAN.
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:
    The article is going pretty well, it's just that we have a few more issues to take care of. Zach Vega (talk to me) 00:15, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
    Fixed. ViperSnake151  Talk  00:30, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
    Good job on improving the article! Zach Vega (talk to me) 19:00, 19 October 2013 (UTC)