Talk:Habsburg Netherlands

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Proposed merge with Seventeen Provinces[edit]

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These articles discuss the same topic: the provinces of the low countries, as united under Habsburg rule. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 12:06, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

First a question: was the term seventeen provinces ever used before Charles V, for the Burgundians? Our articles imply not, but maybe we should double check, because if so then maybe the merge should go the other way.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 15:27, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
I strongly doubt that, because Frisia and Utrecht were never in Burgundian hands, but were conquered by Charles V. Groningen, Drenthe and Overijssel did not exist as separate provinces, but were subject to the Bishop of Utrecht as the Oversticht. I.e. there weren't even that many provinces until Emperor Charles started creating new ones (see the map to the right for the maximum entent of Burgundian rule before the Habsburgs). QVVERTYVS (hm?) 22:41, 4 December 2013 (UTC)