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On 15 October 2022, it was proposed that this article be moved to Makerspace. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

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Merger proposal: Fab lab into Hackerspace[edit]

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To not merge, given the uncontested objections with no support. Klbrain (talk) 09:55, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I propose merging Fab lab into Hackerspace since they seem to be very overlapping topics. Fab lab is already listed in the Hackerspace article as a variety, and has its own section there. Sauer202 (talk) 16:40, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'd strongly insist against that proposal. There are important differences between the three terms: Hackerspace: Strong emphasis on IT and the digital world. Makerspace: Machine / workshop centered space. - "Hackerspace" for the physical world. FabLab: Makerspace with strong emphasis on sharing of knowledge. ^[1] Tasso.Mulzer (talk) 11:24, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose a merge and would agree with Tasso.Mulzer about the importance of keeping these three subjects very distinctly clear and as their own separate articles. They could probably all use a lot of work and expansion, but no need to merge them together. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 (talk) 22:44, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would oppose this merge as well as a FabLab is more of a workshop than a hackerspace. Flameoguy (talk) 22:12, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qKslpqOa_M

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Merger proposal: Library makerspace into Hackerspace[edit]

I propose merging Library makerspace into Hackerspace since they seem to be very overlapping topics, and content seems duplicate about what one can do on a makerspace. A makerspace is a makerspace, and I think whether it is part of a library or not does not warrant a separate article. In my own experience, there are many examples of makerspaces being co-located with a library, but it is still "just" a makerspace. I suggest what is unique about makerspaces in regards to being co-located with libraries can be incorporated in the Hackerspace article, for example as a mention in the sections #Facilities or #Variations. Sauer202 (talk) 08:43, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Although they overlap I think there are some fundamental differences in their origin, leadership and function within communities. Which is different to co-location. The variation section is good but cannot go into enough detail and good it links out. I therefore think the separate articles are easier to follow oppose for now. Rhagfyr (talk) 19:10, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Closing, with no merge, given the uncontested objection and no support with stale discussion. Klbrain (talk) 10:21, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 15 October 2022[edit]

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:43, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hackerspace → Makerspace – Per the above discussion "A Hackerspace is not a Makerspace", a hackerspace can be regarded as a subset of makerspace"

Makerspace is broader, since it both refers to physical and digital fabrication, while hacking seems more focused on programming (whether focused on digital fabrication or programming workarounds).

Hacking can also be more ambiguous, since its etymology can have various meanings, for example:

Hack (computer science), an inelegant but effective solution to a computing problem
Hack (computer security), to break into computers and computer networks
Hacker, a computer expert with advanced technical knowledge
Hacker culture, activity within the computer programmer subculture
Cybercrime, which involves security hacking

And many more. As seen, in the contect of hackerspaces, however, I believe the term "hacking" is often meant in the positive meanings "to be creative", or "to be good at something", or "to make something work", rather than the malicious, secretive or mystical meanings sometimes associatied with the word hacking.

Therefore, due to Makerspace being a broader and clearer term, I think it would be more fitting to have Makerspace as the main title of this page discussing these two closely related topics, since digital facbrication is a subset of what can be done at a makerspace. A makerspace can be suited for creative building or construction of anything (digital, physical, et cetera). Sauer202 (talk) 09:03, 15 October 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 19:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the move. I think that it would be better to split this page into Makerspace and Hackerspace. Gusfriend (talk) 02:14, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per Gusfriend. Seems like they're two different topics. — Amakuru (talk) 10:33, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Split into two articles instead? — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 19:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In regards to the option of splitting into two different articles, what is the difference between a hackerspace and a makerspace? As I have laid out above, hackerspace seems to be a subtype of makerspace (or even the same thing). Can you please lay out how you view them as different? P.s. The article about Life hack indicates once again that "hacking" can be used in the meaning to fix something, mend, or making a workaround. I don't see the big difference to a makerspace where one can make or fix stuff. Sauer202 (talk) 11:17, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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