Talk:Hafizullah Amin

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Factual cleanup[edit]

1. Amin died by the hands of Russians special forces, not a "rival faction" 2. Suspicions of a CIA connection was based on his American education

According to "The World Was Going Our Way: The KGB and the Battle for The Third World by Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin" 1. Amin moved his palace from Kabul on the advice of KGB security experts, who actually wanted Amin out of Kabul because it would be easier to capture him there 2. Karmal was waiting in a soviet base outside Kabul during the storm of the palace 3. The attack on the palace led to over 100 casualties within the Alpha team, claiming their commander. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cdamama (talkcontribs) 05:32, 11 December 2006 (UTC).

Copyright infringement?[edit]

I removed text from the article because it seems to be copied from http://www.gl.iit.edu/govdocs/afghanistan/ARevolutionBackfires.html. Insertion of this text on en.wiki has taken place on Nov 3, 2005. That text has been added previously on that external site, according to web.archive.org. --Gia.cossa 20:02, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Tajbeg Palace able to withstand artillery fire?[edit]

Having read Tajbeg Palace and looked at the pictures there, this is a European-style stately home or mansion, with fairly thin walls and lots of windows, not an Indian-style fortress palace with earth and rock walls twenty feet thick or whatever. Are we pushing things a bit to claim it was capable of withstanding artillery fire - from common late 1970s artillery like this - even if the source says so? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:46, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

The source says so; I can check if other sources say the same thing, but If they do, it has to change - verifiability is policy. --TIAYN (talk) 14:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Variant of English[edit]

While copy-editing this article it seemed to be mainly in British English, so I removed a couple of instances of American English. I'm open to suggestions as to what version of English would be best, though. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:14, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Pictures[edit]

It would be nice to include more pictures. Neither of the pictures of the Tajberg Palace represent well how it would've looked at the time (although one of them could perhaps be cropped), but maybe one could be used. We could also consider using small images of some of the contemporaries and opponents involved in Amin's life. What else is there from this era - maybe other locations, or pictures of meetings between different politicians? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:30, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I really can't do much with the lack of pictures, there are simply no free pictures at the moment (as I know of...) --TIAYN (talk) 14:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
When I have a bit of spare time, I will experiment with including some pics of related places and people mentioned in the text, and we can see if they improve things or if they distract from the content of the article. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:38, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hafizullah Amin/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Grandiose (talk · contribs) 08:42, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

I will review this article shortly. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 08:42, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
I've fixed the problems with the ISBNs – do you know why several had their last (check) digit wrong? Seems a bit odd, I don't suppose there's anything more to it? Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 08:56, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
  • "son of a civil servant" ~ are we to assume this is his father (rather than mother)? Probably best saying "...his father, a civil servant, died whilst..."
  • "On 18 April 1978 Mir Akbar Khyber was killed" ~ a couple of words telling us who he is is probably warranted;
  • "Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers,[24] and Mohammad Aslam Watanjar became Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers" ~ there are two deputy chairmen (or more)? Might eb worth phrasing it to make that clearer. Perhaps "a Deputy" or something.
  • "few returned, including Karmal and Mohammad Najibullah" ~ this makes it sound like they are among the few, not the many;
"to let Amin go" ~ what does this mean? Sacked? Anything more?
Is "HDCC" a (repeated) typo, or a different organisation?
Fixed by User:TIAYN so Yes check.svg Done (seemingly it was a typo) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 10:12, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done "He came to power by assassinating his predecessor Nur Muhammad Taraki." is not covered in the article as far as I can see: a bit about ousting him, nothing about having him assassinated.
Yes check.svg Done "His view can be explained by the fact that the Soviet Union, after several months, decided to send troops into Afghanistan." ~ does indeed need clarification, doesn't seem to follow.
Yes check.svg Done "Several others also hesitated, claiming, in contradiction of what their commanders Yuri Drozdov and Vasily Kolesnik had told them (they in turn had been informed by the Soviet leadership, that it seemed strange that Amin, who had welcomed Soviet troops in Afghanistan, could be an American sympathiser[77] (accused of being a "CIA Agent")[78] and to have betrayed the Saur Revolution.[clarification needed] " ~ The grammar doesn't follow and the point isn't clear.
Lead image's copyright status should be given specifically as falling under "Simple photographs do not enjoy copyright protection and are thus in the public domain." I believe its licence also requires that it was unpublished in the United States within 30 days of publication in Afghanistan. The source is broken, which makes all of this very difficult to verify. Worth looking for another version of this photograph from another source.

That's all, everything else (scope, referencing, etc.) fine. On hold. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 09:43, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

OK, I've shored up the image for you, sufficient for GA. Will give the article a final look today or tomorrow. (Also, the source turned out not to be broken, oddly.) Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 08:30, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
I need some help with reference #31, the first one I've checked. I don't see verification of "and to vote on whether or not to reorganise the Council of Ministers and to enhance the power of the executive (the Chairman of the Revolutionary Council)." in the source. There might be some terminology differences, but I just can't see it. Could you assist? I will be doing further checks today and tomorrow in this vein, particularly if this one is problematic. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 12:11, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
My fault; the correct page number was 163–164 and not 163; the Council of Ministers was the name of the government of Communist Afghanistan... --TIAYN (talk) 21:33, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Two refs are now the same - but that's not a requirement, I'm now happy to pass. Might take me 24 hours. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 20:08, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Amin's disassociation with Nur Taraki[edit]

While discussing Amin's disassociation with Nur Taraki, the 44th citation states that, "In April 1984 Amin began to disassociate himself from Taraki". This makes no sense, as Hafizullah Amin was assassinated in 1979 during operation Storm-333. (23.24.213.205 (talk) 16:24, 26 April 2012 (UTC))

Fixed --TIAYN (talk) 16:43, 26 April 2012 (UTC)