Talk:Ham

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
          This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
WikiProject Food and drink (Rated C-class, Top-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Food and drink, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of food and drink related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
Checklist icon
 Top  This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
 

This article has comments here.

WikiProject Bacon (Rated C-class, Mid-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Bacon, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Bacon on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks. WikiProject icon
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Mid  This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
WikiProject Breakfast (Rated C-class, Top-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Breakfast, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of breakfast-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
C-Class article C  This article has been rated as C-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Top  This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
This article has an assessment summary page.

Removing the ham art[edit]

How is ham particularly notable in art? Having a section with a few paintings of pieces of ham is dumb as hell. Should be removed. --Sub12 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 15:14, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Since no one seems to object, I've removed it. --Sub12 (talk) 20:12, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Questions/Comments[edit]

The link at footnote 29 is broken: http://www.dietandcancerreport.org/downloads/Second_Expert_Report.pdf

Wikipedia defines red meat as "meat which is red when raw". Does this definition include processed pork (which is white when raw)? I'm asking because the paragraph under the section Health Risks puzzles me. Is the health risk coming from eating red meat (beef, venison) or from eating processed pork or both?

Harbre (talk) 09:18, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

I dug more into this. The report is now split into several documents. The main link is

http://www.dietandcancerreport.org/expert_report/report_contents/index.php

The recommendations are in http://www.dietandcancerreport.org/cancer_resource_center/downloads/chapters/chapter_12.pdf

The report states that "the evidence that red meat, and particularly processed meat, is a cause of colorectal cancer is stronger now than it was in the mid-1990s" (p 382). While the "Panel emphasises that this overall recommendation is not for diets containing no meat", it recommends to eat "very little if any" of processed meat. This "includes ham, bacon, pastrami, and salami. Sausages, frankfurters, and ‘hot dogs’, to which nitrates/nitrites or other preservatives are added, are also processed meats."

Furthermore the panel recommends to limit red meat to 500 g (18 oz) per week. This is the cooked weight being equivalent to 700–750 g raw weight. Still, I can't figure out whether (unprocessed) pork is part of red meat or not. The report lists poultry and fish as alternatives.

Harbre (talk) 10:07, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Pork is red meat. If you look at older breeds, and at close cousins like boar, it is very much a red meat. Modern production has made it look pink or white. OwainDavies (about)(talk) edited at 18:34, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Whole ham?[edit]

The illustration is clearly an image of a half-ham. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF99:1470:8017:8991:580A:BE1A (talk) 11:29, 28 September 2014 (UTC)