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edit·history·watch·refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for Hanging:
  • Physiology of a hanging (see death erection)
  • More comprehensive coverage of the various "drops" used (see this external site [1])
  • Clarify actual causes of death as determined by postmortem examination
  • more on the suicide aspect of hanging
  • Controversies of using this form of capital punishment (why not this compared to other forms in use in the US and abroad).
  • Children Dying by Accidental hanging -

See Also - Choking Game External Link [2]

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Can someone please correct the statement "Scientifically, the person dies by strangulation" - this is not necessarily true.

Firstly the word "scientifically" is awkward in this setting. The sentence would sound better starting as "Death is caused by either one of a number of mechanisms .."

i. Cerebral hypoxia secondary to compression of neck vessels (the mode of death in "strangulation") is one cause but is only seen in short suspension hangings and is very unlikely in a competently performed judicial hanging. ii. Systemic hypoxia secondary to vasovagal stimulation. iii. Trauma to the brain caused by severe decelerative forces in a long drop judicial hanging with sudden and catastrophic failure of repiratory and cardiac control centres and secondary systemic hypoxia. iv. Inadvertent decapitation in a long drop hanging with a poorly calculated drop (as in the Iraq hanging of Barzan al Tikriti. v. Systemic hypoxia due to tracheal compression in an "incomplete hanging" (such as a drunk person falling asleep with their neck over a raised object)

As a reference, you could quote Bernard Knight's book on Forensic Pathology or any major postrgraduale textbook of anatomic pathology —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marek1975 (talkcontribs) 14:58, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Evacuation[edit]

Isn't "sphincters will relax spontaneously and urine and faeces will be evacuated" incorrect? Is it not the bladder and the bowels that are evacuated?80.202.210.59 (talk) 01:02, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, because the sphincters that hold them in are relaxed. That is why hangmen used to tie cords around the ankles of trousers, so as to stop the effluvia spilling onto the floor. Not much, anyway.86.43.191.172 (talk) 17:35, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
Note also the special knickers provided to Ruth Ellis and other women following an unfortunate occurrence during the hanging of Edith Thompson. --CliffC (talk) 19:18, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

decapitation[edit]

why is decapitation considered an unfortunate possible result of long-drop hanging - presumably, that's comparably quick and painless? Aryah (talk) 14:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

... but rather distressing for the observers and those who have to clean up afterwards. Malleus Fatuorum 14:54, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
I came here to ask the same question. Is that really the answer? (Is there a citation for it?)
The article discusses the idea that the rope can be too long or too short. It explains the problem with a too-short drop: the subject suffers an agonized death by strangulation over a long time. Is it true that the only problem with decapitation is that the observers might get upset? (Do they expect to see nothing upsetting when they show up to watch a person be deliberately killed?)
The part of the article that says decapitation is a problem should devote at least a sentence to explaining why. TypoBoy (talk) 18:53, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

I deleted some stuff from the "suicide" section[edit]

The claims were uncited, though I also thought they were a bit too fawning:

The materials necessary for suicide by hanging are easily available to the average person, compared with firearms or lethal poison. It is a deceptively simple yet highly effective suicide method.

160.39.220.172 (talk) 21:37, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Standard drop[edit]

It is stated: "It was considered a humane improvement on the short drop because it was intended to be enough to break the person's neck, causing immediate paralysis and immobilization (and probable immediate unconsciousness)." I fail to distinguish between paralysis and immobilization. E.g. Muscle immobilization in Wikipedia redirects to, well, Paralysis... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.191.190.78 (talk) 04:29, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Yardarm[edit]

In Feb. 1977 brief details of the Admiralty method for a hanging from the yardarm was published.

Does anybody know who was the last man to be hanged from the yardarm by the British Royal Navy?AT Kunene (talk) 10:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Ritual hangings[edit]

I came here looking for more information on the so called bog men which were often found to have been hung. However no mention at all of them or other instances of ritual hanging are mentioned and I think this should be addressed if possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.67.96.226 (talk) 05:11, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

That's an interesting point, and evidence of hanging early in history. However, I question the use of the term "ritual hanging". For the most part, the article discusses execution by hanging, and a judicial execution is definitely ritualized. Unless, you mean something else pertaining to bog body culture? Boneyard90 (talk) 14:58, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

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India edits[edit]

I reverted the most recent good faith additions to the section on India because it is a summary of the current status in India, and by adding individual cases, we run the risk of creating a list. There is a main article on capital punishment in India, and that's probably where detailed updates should be added. Boneyard90 (talk) 07:41, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Strangulation Contradictions[edit]

In the "Short Drop" section, strangulation is mentioned as taking about 15 to 20 minutes (without specifying whether that refers to the onset of either unconsciousness or death) and is described as leading to a "more protracted, grisly and painful" death as compared to normal and high drops. But both the section directly above it - "Suspension" - and the article on strangulation describe the quick onset of unconsciousness ("Prisoners are often reported to have little or no struggle before they go limp"; "The reported time from application to unconsciousness varies from 7–14 seconds if effectively applied to one minute in other cases"). Because the "Short Drop" section mentions the death as being more painful, it implies that the "15 to 20 minutes" line refers to unconsciousness, which directly contradicts both the article on strangulation and "Suspension" section. I have trouble finding a reliable source on this topic, so someone else who doesn't or someone in the medical/biological professions might want to help clean this up. - RichLow (talk) 10:19, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

I am almost certain that the short drop section is wrong, or that it gives a false impression at least that a prolonged and painful struggle was the norm. It wouldn't depend solely on the length of the drop but also (and probably more so) on the noose. What material it is made of, how wide and what kind of knot is used. If everything is right with the noose, it should put the pressure on the cartoid arteries and stop or severly restrict blood flow to the brain, leading to unconsciousness very fast (see Cerebral_ischemia#Background). If there's any truth to stories about a 20 minute struggle of a hanged person, it has to be because the noose was too loose or too stretchy or for some other reason failed to block the cartoid arteries. In that case, the cause of death would probably be eventual suffocation which would be a painful and drawn out process. --Bjarki (talk) 02:14, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Any practitioner of Judo can confirm that strangulation involving constriction of the blood supply to the brain is relatively quick and painless. Judo strangleholds mainly use the collar of the victim's jacket to tighten around his or her neck. In a well-applied stranglehold the victim loses consciousness within 20 seconds, and sometimes too painlessly for the victim to tap a submission. Death would take longer, but for obvious reasons that is seldom put to the test! Judo contest referees have to be vigilant for loss of consciousness, though this is not always easy if the stranglehold is combined with a hold which may obscure the victim's face. In un-refereed practice (randori) judokas are usually advised to submit as soon as they feel the hold come 'on', which can be detected by a singing in the ears.86.183.202.171 (talk) 18:17, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

'Austro-Hungarian soldiers executing women in Serbia 1916' image[edit]

User:Anonimski changed the caption to include womeen which is good but (at the risk of WP:OR) if you look carefully at the picture- the fourth from left- it is almost certainly a male (re: white shirt sleeves + black waistcoat- quite distinct from what the women are wearing), so the caption should really state that it is either both or 'citizens' etc. Secondly, I have swapped it with the Landsberg photo, so the photo of the A/H pole method is now aligned to the relatively detailed description we have given. Cheers. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 11:00, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for pointing it out. When I browsed through the book "Léta zkázy a naděje" I realized that I should update incorrectly dated pictures on Wikipedia, and I had to replace the description with "civilians from Mačva" since it was unattested by the authors. Anyway, I looked more closely, and some of the victims seem to have male outfits. I agree with you, and I'm going to fix it. Anonimski (talk) 12:28, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Cheers, good man. Didn't want to do it myself as not an expert, and have no sources. What do you think about the two pics I moved? If you think it doesn't work like that, feel free to revert. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 12:46, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

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Merge with crucifixion?[edit]

An anonymous user has added the merge template to the page, but has provided no reasoning. I left a message on their talk page, but unless anybody has any objections I'm going to remove it. Cooltrainer Hugh (talk) 11:56, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

I support removing the merge tag. Sort of a WP:SNOW in advance; the proposal has essentially no chance of being adopted. If the IP is serious about it, he/she can replace the tag, and then we'll have to go through the tedious motions. --Trovatore (talk) 18:32, 5 August 2014 (UTC)