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Map[edit]

Is the map that shows the province highlighted the right one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.230.125.229 (talk) 21:25, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

THAT MAP CAN'T BE RIGHT!! The dot on the "Location in China" map isn't even in Zhejiang Province!! 24.18.218.123 (talk) 23:58, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Lake[edit]

Locally the lake seems to be called "West Lake", not "Western Lake", from what I remember. Egil 05:41 Mar 17, 2003 (UTC)

I mean, both are just variant translations of Chinese 西湖 but, yeah, "West Lake" is the standard English form for the place. — LlywelynII 12:11, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Temple[edit]

Lingyin Shi? What is this, some kind of irregular pronunciation? - Nat Krause 15:26, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

That is the name of a temple, which should be correctly translated to "Lingyin Temple". --Plastictv 08:34, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Statistics[edit]

Statistics need to be clarified as to what rankings are actually being referred to, and sources should be cited. - Xgu 09:34, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Temple 2[edit]

Lingyin Temple is very famuous in China!

Famous enough to charge a monster entry fee anyway... - NSD Student (Trust me, I'm from Hangzhou)

Hangzhou is Destination of the Month on Wikitravel[edit]

Hangzhou has been selected as the Destination of the Month for February 2006 on Wikitravel, so Wikipedians with time to spare might like to pop over and help improve the article. Please note that, due to incompatible licensing, direct copy-pastes from Wikipedia are not possible. Jpatokal 13:45, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Quotes[edit]

I think the Chinese proverbs here are interesting, but I have no idea what they mean. I think a brief explaination of each would be helpful. (I checked the Chinese Proverbs page on Wikiquote, but didn't find these.) AdamBradley 07:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Done. The page for Liuzhou already had a good explanation of the first quote, which I mostly lifted and put here. The second is fairly self-explanatory, but I've added a clarification.Rpine75 (talk) 15:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Sights[edit]

The lake is called West Lake, or Xi Hu. I think the sights section of this article might be in need of improvement. It's just a bulleted list. Also, there are notes about geography in the intro, like how it's 180km from Shanghai, but shouldn't that be mentioned in geography? Lulu288 16:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

The east side(Adjacent to the downtown area) of the West Lake is too crowded while the large area of west side of the west lake, although it has many attractions, is so tranquil. Sigh, people always like to go together with the crowd. I like to roam the west side.Last time when I led of a group of tourists roam freely along the west side(I'm a tourist guide), they said it was so great, much better than the east side. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevenhz (talkcontribs) 10:11, 18 July 2010 (UTC) Stevenhz (talk) 10:14, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Date of Mongol invasion?[edit]

The article says

Hangzhou was the capital of the Southern Song Dynasty from the early 12th century until the Mongol invasion of 1276

The articles Kublai Khan, Mongol Empire and Mongol invasions all give a date of 1279 for the invasion. So is 1276 a typo, or did the invasion take so long? AxelBoldt 00:26, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

The invasion of Southern China begna somewhere between the 1260's and early 1270's, depending on what you consider the starting point. The Mongols declared the Yuan Dynasty in 1271 after conquering northern China, then began invading the south. Initially, the Southern Song held their own against the Mongols, but started losing ground over time. Hangzhou (then called Lin'an) fell to the Mongols in 1276. The Southern Song Dynasty ended in 1279, after the decisive Battle of Yamen.Rpine75 (talk) 16:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Links[edit]

The reference links are broken (link to the Forbes article in the Economy section is missing). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.109.53.47 (talk) 00:53, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Red-star Culture Hotel[edit]

When I was on a guided tour of China, Beijing, Shanghai, etc. We stayed at the Red Star Culture Hotel in Hangzhou. The name is rather catching, and google gets quite a few hits for it. Maybe someone should start an article. It has a KTV location inside which.... though prostitution is illegal in China... seems more like a brothel. (Buy your girls in purple dresses to sing with you... you can hear more than singing going on behind the doors, down the long hall with small room after small room, and it is quite loud. Haha). Well anyway, the Chinese tour guide kept saying it was the love capital of China and the city of love (relates to my experience :-P) and yet there's no mention of that in the article. She kept comparing it in Chinese eyes to how Europeans might see Venice or Paris as a "romantic" city. That should be added to this article if such a view is truely pervasive. e.g. she kept mentioning how young couples would go to Hangzhou to get married, or look for love, etc. 4.242.192.132 (talk) 10:43, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Leaving aside your own vivid recollections of your KTV visit, it's not actually true that Hangzhou is China's 'City of Love' or romance in the way that Venice or Paris is in Europe. Suzhou is the canal city famous for beautiful and sweet-speaking women; Sichuan in general has a reputation for beautiful people as well; there's a southern city that's much more famous for your KTV excursions; and young lovers tend to just find places in their hometowns or go to scenic spots like Guizhou's Li River.
Hangzhou's actual reputation is for relaxed southern living and (relative within China) a high standard of living and low level of pollution. It's closer to being something like China's Charleston or Naples, if it didn't have such issues with the mob. People in neighboring provinces might take a honeymoon there to take in the (now mostly overdeveloped) scenery, but it doesn't even have a similar reputation to Niagara Falls w/r/t newlyweds. — LlywelynII 12:06, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a hotel guide. If the hotel has something notable then it might get covered, but in general hotels are not notable for anything other than being a hotel. Likewise tour guides are not generally considered to be reliable sources. We base Wikipedia articles, as much as possible, on reliable third party sources. Doing a quick search on the web I find very comparison between Hangzhou and Paris (though one site claims that there is a replica Eiffel tower in the suburbs of Hangzhou - I wouldn't class that site as reliable). Rincewind42 (talk) 15:33, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Very little? — LlywelynII 00:27, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Lead[edit]

Per WP:MOS-ZH, since we already cover the Chinese characters and romanizations in the infoboxes (repeatedly), we should not duplicate that information in the lead sentence. It's unsightly and breaks up the flow of the article; we have those in most articles so the info is handy... but that's what's going on in the infobox.

Also, not sure who thought it was "Cross" or "Crossing Capital", but that's not what the name means. It's from the use of zhou (effectively, "county") to describe the seat of the county. ("Capital" is much too glorious a notion to capture the same idea.) The county was named Hang, which in Old Chinese meant 'sailing' or 'using a boat', but probably referred to a local Baiyue name with Austroasiatic roots. No idea what the original would've meant though. — LlywelynII 12:06, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Xifu?[edit]

Are we sure about this? I saw it at Wuyue's article as well, but the Chinese version of this article and the mirror at Baidu Baike (the PRC's shanzhai wiki) have no mention of it at all. Can anyone provide Chinese characters for that name or is it just a mistake someone made for Xihu (West Lake) that has been passed down through various pages here? — LlywelynII 12:24, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

It seems to be correct. Baidu Baike says "建西府于杭州" and then "当时的西府杭州" and a search on Google books found many other sources such as 周, 峰 (1997). 吴越首府杭州: 及北宋东南第一州 (in zh-hans). University of California: 浙江人民出版社. p. 32. Retrieved 22 July 2014.  which says, "杭州叫西府". Rincewind42 (talk) 07:58, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Still seems odd—if it was the national capital—to refer to it by a name of a provincial capital. Or maybe they were using fu in some other sense? ("Western Government?") — LlywelynII 05:35, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

WP:ENGVAR[edit]

Per this edit (& subsequent non-stub ones that maintained it), the usage of this page was established as British English. Kindly maintain it consistantly. — LlywelynII 00:24, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Qiantang?[edit]

I've seen Qiantang listed as Hangzhou's "original" name, but if it was really in honor of the Qians who ran 10th-century Wuyue, it can't possibly predate the 6th-century name Hangzhou. The article originally claimed that the settlement was originally called Yuhang, which was obviously off since that was at an entirely separate location (albeit within the present municipality's borders). Was Yuhang the original Hangzhou and the present city only dates to the Wuyue period? or was there another original name for the settlement between the West Lake area and the river? — LlywelynII 07:52, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Sources for article expansion[edit]

Or the curious:

  • This work has an extended discussion of Hangzhou's city god temples (chenghuangmiao) and the character of the city since the Tang.

 — LlywelynII 00:29, 25 July 2014 (UTC)