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Number of home runs by Bonds[edit]

There appears to be a lack of objectivity when it comes to value statements regarding Aaron's place in the history of baseball. Hitters with lesser statistics have generalizations made about them quite safely such as the comment about Ted Williams, i.e., "He is widely considered to be one of the greatest hitters in the history of baseball." This statement is safe, because it is a widely held belief. Therefore, it is difficult to understand how this article omits this kind of value statement, given Aaron's superior statistics and the widely held belief among many fans that he is also "one of the greatest hitters in the history of baseball".--Aberforth (talk) 11:27, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Under the title "Home run record eclipsed by Barry Bonds", it says towards the end that "After Bonds hit his record-breaking 716th home run on August 7, 2007". This should be changed to 756th home run.

Henry Aaron did not play in the National league his entire MLB career. The Milwaukee Brewers were members of the Amer can League until 1997. Hank Aaron played on the Brewers from 1975-1976.

Uhh, I do believe you are mistaken about the 756th thing. Babe Ruth's record was of 714 home runs, and Aaron's was of 733 home runs. Why would Bonds break the record 23 runs after the record was actually broken? The 716th thing was written because the 715th of Aaron's was the record breaker, and appearently they believed that home run ended his career, which couldn't be farther from the truth. Echoes134 (talk) 23:54, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Hard telling what you're really trying to say, but in any case, Ruth had 714 in his career, Aaron had 755, so Bonds moved into second place when he hit number 715, and into first place when he hit number 756. Aaron hit 733 in the National League, but that was a league record, not a career record. So Bonds broke Aaron's league record when he hit number 734, but needed 22 more to break Aaron's career record. Ruth, of course, still holds the American League record with 708 (he hit 6 in the National League). Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 00:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm not trying to offend you, but I was simply trying to make the point that the record wouldn't be set indefinately after it was broken, and it wouldn't make sense if it were to do so. I don't know much about baseball, hockey's my thing, so I just said that so someone would correct the page, because I knew I couldn't. Echoes134 (talk) 18:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
You can't offend me since I still don't know what you're talking about. Bonds broke Aaron's career record when he hit number 756. Each one he hit after that, broke / extended his own record. Whatever his current number may be (and I don't know and really don't care what it is), is the current career record. Is that what you're trying to say? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 20:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Barry Bonds[edit]

I am not a Barry Bonds fan; nor am I hoping he breaks the record. However, I think aits relevant to mention him somewhere in this article, especially the reasoning behind Hank's announcement that he will not attend the game in which Bonds breaks his record. What do others think? M. Frederick 17:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Trevor GH5 16:19, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree that if/when Bonds breaks Hanks record, it should be referenced that Bonds was the one who did it. However, any reference to what Hank feels about Bonds' use of steriods is totally inappropriate! Hank, himself, stated, during a recent interview for Sun Sports by Chris Dimino, "Hank Aaron: In My Own Words",, that he made the statement of not attending anything to do with the breaking of his record, before the steroid issue emergered. He has always stated that "records were meant to be broken".Flborn 20:31, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


Hank Aaron's law degree[edit]

He was awarded an honourary law degree in 1995: [1] . Add it if you think it deserves a mention. --203.206.183.160 12:15, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


honorary= not noteworthy in terms of diplomas

Sites to use for resources[edit]

I have removed the following links from the EL section. The biography pages seem much more appropriate for sources and 3 stats sites seems excessive. Here the are in case someone wants to use them as sources:

Long levi 06:26, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Deletion by Long levi of Fangraphs EL[edit]

Pls return the fangraphs EL. This has been the subject of an extensive discussion on the baseball wikiproject baseball page. The consensus was to include it as an EL. The one vociferous disagreeing editor has, btw, been banned indefinitely from Wikipedia. Tx.--Epeefleche 10:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
  • I've read all of that stuff. That's why i moved it here.  Long Levi  20:28, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm confused. That stuff, as you put it, supports Fangraphs being listed as an EL. You moved it. If you are to abide by the consensus on that page, you should put it back as an EL. Am I missing something?--Epeefleche 03:39, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  • No, your not confused. That site does not offer anything that warrants its inclusion over the other sites.  Long Levi  05:19, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Please don't drag me into your arguments. I am not here to pass judgement on who said what when. I'm just improving the quality of this article. Please be more mindful of the fact that others do not agree with any part of that discussion. Including the fact that you titled the section in what I view as a personal attack on someone. There are already two stats sites in this article. I do not see any benefit to that third link. If you want to put it in, you might consider replacing on of the ones already being used.  Long Levi  00:20, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
  • I'm not clear. Which point are you asking me not to bring up any more? That there is consensus over the Fangraphs EL, which I am suggesting be respected? Or that your behavior in refusing to respect the Fangraphs EL consensus mirrors rather dramatically that of Tecmobowl, the banned sockpuppet? Both points seem to me to be legitimate points to raise, in light of your actions (and Tecmo's actions). And I might point out that Tecmo had the same habit of asking that other editors not say things ... if he disagreed with them.--Epeefleche 07:12, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
  • FYI. Longlevi has just been found to be a sockpuppet of a banned user named Tecmobowl, who has used socks in the past. Accordingly, he has also been banned indefinitely. See [2]--Epeefleche 00:34, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Post-playing career[edit]

"Although some have speculated that this is a snubbing of Bonds based on the ongoing steroids scandal, some have looked back to Aaron's own history and how he downplayed his breaking of Babe Ruth's all-time record, and see Aaron's actions as simply treating Bonds the way he wanted to be treated."

Who is "some"? Why are they relevant? And who cares *why* Hank Aaron refuses to attend Barry Bond's celebratory dinner? As long as he himself does not reveal his motive, all we can do is speculate. Such speculation does not belong in WP. Qifan 14:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

See Also & Stats[edit]

Per WP:EL, I don't think the stats section belongs at all. However, in trying to find a compromise, I have shortened the section to display his career statistics. Providing a full list of his career stats will inundate readers and takes up valuable space than could be used to relay content. There are two stats sites already included in the EL section, so a reader can easily access that information if need be.

Per WP:GTL#See_also, I have shortened the See Also section. According to the Guideline section, it appears that all of the information could in fact be removed and incorporated into the article. That being said, a number of categories and templates are already in place to relay the same information that is in the see also article. If one hits 700 home runs, then there is no real need to establish them as a 500 and 600 and 700 "club" member. Considering that the information is already in place with a variety of categories, it needed to be condensed. Rather than outright removal, I have left one link in there that does not appear in another place currently. As the article improves, it is likely that the section can be removed altogether.  Long Levi  21:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Note: The above user, Longlevi, has been indef banned as a sockpuppet of a banned user/sockpuppet.--Epeefleche 01:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

barry bonds breaks aaron's record[edit]

I would like to say congratulations to barry for breaking the all time homerun record set be hank aaron. some people might say barry cheated to get the record but guess what he never tested positive for steroids. when he hit 756 the guy who said he wanted nothing to do with the record hank aaron congratulated him which was very classy unlike bud selig who went to a couple of games and called his effort herculean which is dumb hank aarons message was herculean. bud selig was at milwaukee relaxing thats not herculean. Hank aaron did not follow barry bonds around which is fine because he is old he cant be traveling to san diego san fransisco or any other place.


There is a typo on the wikipedia page, stating that after Bonds hit his 716 homerun on August 7, 2007 that the Aaron video was shown. Obviously, the homerun is number 756 for B. Bonds.

All Star Game Appearances[edit]

I noticed that all three players (supposedly Hank Aaron, Stan Musial, and Willie Mays) with 24 all star appearances played less than 24 seasons in the league, and some sites list Hank's appearances as 21, which excludes his first and last seasons (adding up to his 23 seasons played). I'm not sure what should be put. If somebody knows why it is 24 for these guys, please explain. It's a little weird that there would be so many different and varying amounts across the internet. Thanks. 24.99.219.179 22:23, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

  • This confustion results from the fact that two all star games were played every year from 1959 to 1962. Aaron was selected to both teams all four of those years, but he only played in three of the four extra games, so 24 is the correct number. The sites that use 21 as the number are counting number of years he made an all star team as opposed to how many all star games he actually played in. Indrian 23:29, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Hank Aaron, Brewers and the NL[edit]

Henry Aaron played the last two seasons of his career with the Milwaukee Brewers of the American League. Can someone please fix this error?71.125.170.74 04:53, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I fixed it. In the future, consider making the fixes yourself :) Kingturtle 05:15, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

The word "vitriol" is misspelled in the article.72.83.90.69 (talk) 13:02, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that. I fixed it. In the future, please feel free to fix it yourself :) Kingturtle (talk) 14:07, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Erdös number[edit]

Inserting a note about his Erdös number might be interesting. Being completely oblivious of the baseball world, I don't really know. portugal (talk) 12:13, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

considering that he rates an Erdös number only because they both autographed a baseball, it's more of a joke. The Wikipedia list of people with an Erdös number does not contain Aaron's name or a link to this page.--SEWalk (talk) 09:47, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

RBI[edit]

It isn't mentioned in his achievments page that he is the all time RBI record holder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.78.63 (talk) 01:11, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, by far this is more important than his HR record, because it bespeaks of a more ocmplete player. Given stats, Aaron had a much more constsantly good season-to-season record than bonds did.

  • Actually, RBIs are just as worthless as Home Runs for determining the value of a player. Furthermore, both the header of the article and the infobox include this record, so I don't see what the problem is. Indrian (talk) 22:21, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Hank vs. Henry[edit]

"Hank Aaron" -wikipedia retrieves 894,000 hits. "Henry Aaron" -wikipedia retrieves 132,000 hits. Kingturtle (talk) 03:00, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Part of the ambiguity is that baseball cards usually had him as "Hank" vs. the famous Milo Hamilton radio call of number 715 in which he called him "Henry" [3] (Curt Gowdy also called him "Henry" on the TV call, I think). And then there's the song, "Move over Babe, here comes Henry", which includes the line, "Hank's hit another." And then, I may be wrong, but I think The Hammer himself says it both ways from time to time. In any case, his own autobiography is subtitled "The Hank Aaron Story" and includes a presumed autograph that says "Hank". [4] Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 04:25, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Here's a clip from the old-old "Home Run Derby" in which Mark Scott calls him "Henry" consistently. [5] So much for my theory that it was later in his career that "Henry" came up. This is actually an interesting clip in that it discusses the Home Run Derby ground rules at L.A.'s Wrigley. Mark then starts calling him "Hank". Go figure. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 04:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Actually, if you look through the Gnews hits by 5 yr increments, it appears that he was most often Henry at the beginning, and most often Hank in the later years.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:10, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Anecdotal references from The Scrapbook History of Baseball: a 1956 clipping which calls him Hank; a 1959 clipping which calls him Henry; a 1961 clipping calls him Hank; clippings from 1974 have it both ways. Perhaps the most telling is his own father calling him "Henry". We're probably making too much of this, as I think he simply answers to both. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:29, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Sporting News annuals starting in 1955 when they first published rosters which had players' nicknames, consistently call him "Hank" every year. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:33, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Re-reading a 1974 book by Phil Musick, called Hank Aaron: The Man Who Beat the Babe, it seems that everyone in Aaron's family called him "Henry". On p.66 it says that Don Davidson, the Braves P.R. guy, came up with "Hank", as a way to try to make the already-stoic Aaron a little bit artificially familiar. The book also claims that "Hammerin' Hank", and also "Bad Henry" (the latter so dubbed by opposing pitchers) arose around that time, his rookie year of 1954. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:09, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Confusing wording[edit]

As I recall, the 715 ball was caught on the fly by pitcher Tom House, so the phrase "it landed in the bullpen" is incorrect. It never landed! This is worth cleaning up, especially since it is unusual for a home run to be caught on the fly by another player. I saw the home run on TV, and it's what I remember best about it. ProfessorAndro (talk) 16:57, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

OK as is? Or you could says something along the lines of it was hit into the bullpen, where ... caught it.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:04, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Hank Aaron/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.


Failed "good article" nomination[edit]

This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of May 21, 2009, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: The article has several basic structural problems. The WP:LEAD exceeds tha four paragraph limit due to several abbreviated paragraphs lumped in together. This problem extends into the main body of the text where several sections contain numerous choppy paragraphs. The article needs to be reorganized to have more substantive paragraphs. I would convert $10,000 in 1952 to current dollars (see Fountain of Time). I would use the link for the Puerto Rican league like they do in the Jackie Robinson article rather than name the country.
2. Factually accurate?: Numerous paragraphs have no citations. The article should be reorganized so that each paragraph has at least one citation.
3. Broad in coverage?: I would also prefer to see a section devoted to a statistical summary of his career. See Barry Bonds, which has a section showing where he ranks in several important statistical categories. Aaron's article would benefit by such a seciton. I would also expand his playing career section so that it is not out of balance with the home run record cont3ent.
4. Neutral point of view?: Yes
5. Article stability? Yes
6. Images?: File:HankAaron1957.jpg appears to be under consideration for deletion.

This article has a way to go. I would like to see expansion in areas and reorganization in others.

When these issues are addressed, the article can be renominated. If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it have it reassessed. Thank you for your work so far.— TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:28, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion, this article needs more work before making GA-there are POV and peacock statements, some of which I've edited, and I propose to do still more in this regard. Hushpuckena (talk) 20:47, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Agree.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:02, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

White students[edit]

It's relevant that they're white in that he had been besieged with death threats, and he later said that he wondered if someone had run onto the field to attack him before he could finish circling the bases. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 12:39, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Agreed.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Edit request from Marq08, 24 April 2010[edit]

I would like to request that due to recent events, namely the opening of the Hank Aaron Childhood Home Museum on April 14, 2010, that an external link to its website Hank Aaron Museum be included in the article and perhaps a reference to its opening or media coverage be made in the awards and honors section or whatever section is deemed appropriate.

Marq08 (talk) 19:19, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Not done for now: The link is to the stadium, not a museum, which is more notable. Spitfire19 (Talk) 20:01, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

The name of the link is Hank Aaron stadium if you would prefer to link to museum.hankaaronstadium.com you may do so. The stadium is home to the new museum which was opened on April 14th, 2010. If you would like links to the local or national news coverage of the event to certify its notability I can provide those references. Marq08 (talk) 20:53, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 67.187.43.248, 30 May 2010[edit]

{{tld}editsemiprotected}} Aaron was a 21x all-star, not 25, as indicated.

67.187.43.248 (talk) 14:03, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Done Welcome and thanks, Celestra (talk) 14:52, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 67.219.89.190, 13 June 2010[edit]

{{editsemiprotected}} Hank Aaron has 805 homeruns.


http://www.theonion.com/articles/mlb-credits-hank-aaron-with-50-lost-home-runs,2194/ 67.219.89.190 (talk) 05:31, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

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New section[edit]

There seems to be miscalculations/misinformation in stating that Hank Aaron broke Babe Ruth's Home Run Record. 1. Babe Ruth hit 714 Home Runs in 22 years, in 2,503 games while being at bat 8,399 times. 2. Hank Aaron hit 755 Home Runs in 23 years (one more year), in 3,298 games (795 more games) while being at bat 12,364 times (3,965 more times). 3. If you take the total number of Babe Ruth's games of 2,503 (his total career) and apply the same number of games to Hank Aaron then he would only have approximately

  592 Home Runs in 2,576 games which is still 73 more games than Babe Ruth.

To be consistent you must compare apples to apples; # of games played to # of games played and to # of 'At Bats' to # of 'At Bats'. Just as if someone hit 100 Home Runs in one 20 games in a single season while being at bat 35 times then someone else hits 101 home runs in 25 games in a single season while being at bat 65 times; does that break the 100 HR that was set prior? Now I know that some people will think that this is a racist statement by defaming Hank Aaron,I'm not, but what if Babe Ruth was Black and Hank Aaron was White, would then the same standard be followed? LeeLeeB46 (talk) 16:34, 18 October 2011 (UTC)From Breaking Babe Ruth's Record Wikipedia Encyclopedia

We aren't talking about home runs per game. We are talking about total number of home runs, period. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:31, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

"1952 Negro League World Series"?[edit]

According to the Negro League World Series article, the last such series was held in 1948. Which article is right? -- 92.231.116.164 (talk) 00:55, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Primes in his career[edit]

To the main editors of this article:

I believe that it might be interesting for you to know that there is an article written in the Journal of Recreational Mathematics, by mathematicians of the Department of Mathematics of the University of Georgia, 714 and 715, that works some interesting properties of those famous numbers relating to prime numbers, a few of them easily understandable by people like me, with no special interest in Mathematics.

I was planning to write a small section with the same title as this one (a pun on Aaron´s main article other section, Prime of his career), but given that I don´t even understand baseball rules nor baseball culture (it is a rare sport in Argentina), I prefered just to signal the existence of the mathematical article and let you decide if the reference deserves a line or two in the main article.

I believe it deserves it, because it proves how that home run record penetrated into popular and even academic culture. In fact, the importance of that record is aknowledged in the mathematical article, although I was surprised to see that even racial tensions were involved, when curious about it, I was directed to the main Wikipedia article.

Great story. I might not understand baseball, but I do understand the heroism and the dignity, as it was shown by the people involved. In particular, Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth's widow.

Pmronchi (talk) 14:01, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Pre empting incorrect edits[edit]

There was a big scare today that Aaron died. Just making sure we all potential editors know that this was incorrect http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/03/hank_aaron_doing_fine_atlanta.html https://twitter.com/Braves/status/311182195345723392 --64.106.237.4 (talk) 20:39, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Much appreciated. This article I'm sure will get a major influx of editing whenever he does pass. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:53, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Reference/Footnotes[edit]

The references and footnotes are very hard to follow on this page. 74.103.168.153 (talk) 00:23, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


Students on the Field[edit]

The section on home run 715 mentions that 2 white college students, including Craig Sager, rushed the field with Hank Aaron. The actual identities of the students is actually pretty common knowledge now, namely that they were high school seniors not named Craig Sager (http://http://vimeo.com/91475420 http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100827&content_id=14001780&fext=.jsp&c_id=atl http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5504664). I would suggest that this be amended in the article. 71.45.21.116 (talk) 17:52, 10 April 2014 (UTC)