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Untitled[edit]

The links at the bottom are broken. Hats UK seems to have disappeared.

The other link has moved: this is probably the correct one now: http://www.costumes.org/HISTORY/100pages/HATS.HTM

Trucker Hat[edit]

Shouldn't the Trucker hat/feed hat be included? it even has a wiki entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.65.230.113 (talk) 21:13, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Poodle Hat[edit]

Someone wrote poodle hat in the list of popular hats. It liks to the weirdal album. Take that crap off the article.

It's called "vandalism", and if we reported every instance of it, wikipedia would take up 10TB on the servers.
-70.164.246.211 (talk) 20:02, 9 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.31.254.172 (talk)


Berets?[edit]

Do berets have a place in this article? Notthe9 04:05, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Oliver Sacks reference is stretching things[edit]

The book by Sacks contains nothing relevant to a discussion of hats, so I removed it. Yes, it's about (among other things) a man who would mistake his wife for all manner of objects, one of which was hats—but this isn't Wiki-Google we're working on, people. If people want to know about Oliver Sacks' work, or about the stage play based on that work, I seriously doubt that they're going to start with the article on hats. Buck 20:56, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Why was the shoe joke deleted?[edit]

Why was the shoe joke deleted, it should have been kept as a disambiguation.

Reference[edit]

This article has been referenced in an animation on Something Awful. Here be the URL:http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=3633--NorphTehDwarf 00:42, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be....[edit]

An article on doffing hats? I looked about for such and was at a loss when it wasn't to be found. DrWho42 04:08, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Graduate hat or "grad hat" ?[edit]

A widespread opinion says that it is possible to find anything on internet. Perhaps ! But I disperately search an historical explanation about the origins and the "why" of this strange (and ridiculous) square hat used to put on the head of the graduated students of universities.

Who invented it ? When ? Why ? Symbolism ?

Thanks --Sonusfaber 07:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Nothing to do with graduates. It is a hat worn by all students, and only a generation ago (still post-war) was mandatory for all students (gowns were only made optional for lectures a few decades ago); they are still worn daily by many undergraduates. Kan8eDie (talk) 03:16, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
This type of hat is called a mortar board — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.211.194 (talk) 01:04, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Hatter?[edit]

I thought a hatter is someone who made hats; isn't someone who sells men's hats a haberdasher?Jim Lacey 19:26, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Images of hats[edit]

A while ago I was looking for the name of a certain hat and referred to this page as a quick way to find it. Alas, it was very difficult and in the end I didn't find the answer from this page. The reason is that there are no images available next to the text descriptions on the list, and therefore it requires the reader to actually read through the whole list to even have the slightest idea of what each piece of headgear looks like. I propose a table with images on the right-hand side, which will contain an image for each and every type of hat in the list (as long as one exists on Wikipedia). The table will have 2 or 3 columns in order to match the height of the list entries. Thoughts? -- Ynhockey (Talk) 07:27, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Good idea - but I don't know about a table. There are loads of photos of hats on Wiki Commons. Each style of hat should have a thumbnail photo illustrating it.--Gilabrand (talk) 17:27, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I saw that you'd added images, Gilabrand. I know you said you didn't like the idea of a table, but I think it looks a lot neater with it than without it. If the consensus is to remove it, of course I'll abide by that, but see what you think. -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 14:55, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually, it looks very good! Feel free to add more images if you come across appropriate ones. I don't think the same hat should appear twice, though. If there are several names for the same hat, they should be merged --Gilabrand (talk) 15:11, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I was umming and aahing over that. It's really a UK/US thing - in the UK they're more commonly known as a bowler, whereas in the US it's a Derby. At least that's my understanding. -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 15:27, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, I'm from the U.S. (East Coast) and we always called it a bowler.--Gilabrand (talk) 15:33, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


hat types[edit]

I don't think this page should be limited to hats that have an article on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a complete resource on ANY subject. If there are hat types with a reference (and preferably a photo), I don't see why they should be removed. Tilt hats, for example, date back to the 1940s. Other types I just thought of are cloche hats and bellboy hats, and of course there are more.--Gilabrand (talk) 11:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

It would get absurdly long if every single hat were here. There's a separate list of hats linked at the bottom as well.LRT24 (talk) 08:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I came to this article in an attempt to locate the proper name and history of the princess/damsel-in-distress type conical hat. Could somebody please research and add? PCB —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.162.64 (talk) 00:15, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Material Hat can be made of[edit]

I reverted a change that said "Some hats are made of leather." If we start adding the different materials that hats can be made of this article will have a lot of useless information. Where would we draw the line as to what materials would be listed and what materials wouldn't be listed? I do not believe we need to individually list any materials that a hat can be made of. (in response to comment left on my talk page about my revert) Jons63 (talk) 22:57, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Look at the IP edits I reverted today. What you reverted was just a continuation of that vandalism. It's non-notable to list common materials that hats can be made of. Good change. →Wordbuilder (talk) 23:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
So should we remove the part in which they list a few types of hats and how to clean them? Where do we draw the line there? Just because you two know that hats can be made out of leather doesn't mean everyone does. If I put what electrons could be made out of on the electron page you may not take objection, but it seems obvious to me. MajorAwesome (talk) 23:07, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I already removed it also after you brought it to my attention on my talk page. Jons63 (talk) 23:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm hard-pressed to believe your edits are in good faith, MajorAwesome. You started off adding, "Some hats are made of leather, however not all things made of leather are technically hats". Now, you're claiming to be a "milliner of leather hats" in Auklington, New Zealand. There is no such place and your IP returns to the University of Toronto. →Wordbuilder (talk) 23:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Wordbuilder, I would think that someone with skill for pedantry that you pocess would have noticed that I never said that I was a in Auklington, I merely associated myself with my hat shop which is in Auklington. Now I am sure that you did a quick google search for Auklington and didn’t find it so now you are sure it does not exist. But of course you know that no amount of failed searching can prove that something does not exist. This is not the issue which most concerns me. What concerns me the most is that Jons63 removed the hat cleaning section for no real reason. If he thought that something in there might not be true he should ask for it to be cited, no? I don’t think that he can remove useful and non obvious information just because he doesn’t like it, I think this was not ok. MajorAwesome (talk) 02:49, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Per this, I am done here. →Wordbuilder (talk) 03:05, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
I have a hard time believing that your intentions in good faith either. It seems like you are now looking for reasons to remove this section (which I did not even write) just to spite me. I am putting it back and then the page will be the same as it was before I made any changes. MajorAwesome (talk) 18:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
OK I think this getting out of hand perhaps you guys (Jons63 and WordBuilder) could explain something to me. I know you think that I am a troll or a vandal or whatever but please hear me out. I understand that you took issue with my original edits, however I have let that go and am not pursuing that anymore. I don't think that the hat cleaning section is a howto it just list some ways in which some hats can be cleaned. Like if the bread page listed some ways to leaven bread. I know that you do not agree however I don't see why your opinions should trump mine. And why my thinking these three lines of text are appropriate is considered "vandalism". Also this section existed for quite sometime unperturbed until you two got annoyed with me. Please explain, and not just by saying "Wikipedia is not a howto". Respectfully, MajorAwesome (talk) 18:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
To begin with, I have never said you were a troll/vandal and never thought you were a troll/vandal. I assume that your edits are in good faith. Now onto the subject. I had read the article prior to you editing it, but don't even remember the part about cleaning. You brought it up and I reviewed it and saw it was similiar (as you pointed out) to the line you had added. I felt (and still feel) that it is unneccessary to tell people howto clean hats. It was also poorly written and unsourced as I stated in my edit summary when I first deleted it. Maybe my edit summary didn't make it clear, my primary reason was that it was unnecessary. If you can give a reason why it should be in, I am willing to listen, but just because it was there untouched for a period of time doesn't mean it should remain. If we were to put it back in the article, where would we draw the line as to which materials we would tell people how to clean? What about different manufacturers of hats, what if their cleaning method for a material is different, then do we tell how to clean that manufacturer's hats specifically? Jons63 (talk) 18:44, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Military[edit]

Interesting article. Seems to be missing the cap worn by most Western police and by nearly every military in the world in in dress uniform: front hard black bill, with round soft "cover" often with "chin strap" built in. Forked article missing that as well. Military articles are having to invent their own terminology since their is no formal widely understood name, and no article either. Student7 (talk) 00:41, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Edit war[edit]

Can we have a discussion rather than just a chain of reverts please. What is the issue here.--Elen of the Roads (talk) 11:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

List of police hats needed[edit]

The main article could be improved if a link to a list of police hats were added.

The "list of headgear" linked at the bottom already has a police/military subsection.LRT24 (talk) 08:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

When I came to the main article, I was hoping to see a list of all of the police hats used in South America. Unfortunately, there is no such list, so far as I could tell. Do the police in Chile wear the same hat as the police in Brazil? 216.99.198.48 (talk) 21:17, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

This article isn't that specialized, and shouldn't be.LRT24 (talk) 08:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Women's hat styles[edit]

How come there are no examples of women's hat styles? I can easily see how this might be perceived by others as being sexist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.248.234 (talk) 18:50, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Agreed! :) One of my personal favourites is the Gainsborough hat from Georgian and Victorian times and I would love to see it featured here. According to this page, which gives a thorough list of many hats (though does not feature many images or short descriptions), the article for the Gainsborough has yet to be created, but I noticed that's the case with lots of women's hats. 'Tis sad when I think of how women are likely the more influential gender in the ongoing progression of fashion! :) Wiki.eleanor (talk) 18:36, 23 April 2011 (UTC)Bellavittoriana, 23rd April, 2011

I third this - the article should be renamed men's hat styles :) or have both some pictures of women wearing hats and styles specific to women - the only ones I noticed were cloche and fascinator as entries in types of hats. There are women's hat styles here on List_of_hats_and_headgear which are not included in this hat page, and seem like they should be. Gramery (talk) 18:47, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Protection?[edit]

This really needs to be a protected article. Ip Vandals love it here. --Rockstone (talk) 17:47, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


No Love for the Gambler Hat?[edit]

I looked for a particular style of hat for a very long time under the wrong name, because the wiki article had a SIMILAR style of hat listed but NOT the PRECISE hat I was looking for. Not good. Why no love for the Gambler hat? It's LIKE the boss of the plains hat. Dig it.

http://www.clicket.com/images_med/53-027.jpg

add it? --(talk) 00:03, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Sizes[edit]

I don't quite get the "size" table. Is there any reason we don't include the standard sizings (US, UK, French)? It would be useful, for example, to be able to look at the article and what a size 7⅝ hat means. (I mention this because I noticed something about Bruce Bochy having a size 8¾ hat, and that struck me as perhaps unreasonable.) --jpgordon::==( o ) 06:04, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Caubeen[edit]

The caubeen was and is an Irish hat, and has been known as that for several hundred years. It has been mentioned dozens of times in novels, short stories, songs and newspaper articles from the end of the 18th century. It has always been distinctively Irish - there was never a British or English caubeen, and the name comes from the Irish language. I can provide at least a dozen references for this. After the visit of George IV to Ireland in 1821 it was often regarded by English journalists as the headgear of a peasant who dressed in an old-fashioned style. At some time, around 1900, the name was adopted by the British for a DIFFERENT kind of headgear, military. But this is an aside to the origins and description of the caubeen as such. (from Talk:Caubeen) Hohenloh + 19:33, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I am confused about this edit. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:32, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Beanies[edit]

In Australia we call what you call the Tuque, a beanie.

What you are calling a Beanie is, to us, a peaked cap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.91.9.190 (talk) 06:21, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Tinkered, 26 May 2011[edit]

In the History section, first paragraph, second sentence, the text for Phrygian hat should link to the article on Phrygian hat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrygian_cap

Tinkered (talk) 21:00, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done by Osubuckeyeguy. Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 02:00, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Links[edit]

The link 'Ladies Hats Community' takes you to a body building supplement page with some pop up windows. I had to force quit my browser. I would remove this link from the article hat if I was a more proficient. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.168.80.185 (talk) 01:33, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Deerstalker anachronistically associated with Holmes?[edit]

In what way is the deerstalker's association with Sherlock Holmes anachronistic? Even the Wikipedia article on Holmes references the Paget drawings which depict Holmes in the deerstalker. The drawings were contemporary to the stories, accompanying them in The Strand. An argument might be made that it is erroneously assocsiated with Holmes since the deerstalker is never mentioned specifically by name in the stories, but he is described wearing a hat fitting the description of a deerstalker, as explained in Wikipedia. I removed the anachronistic claim as I see no justification for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.102.16.128 (talk) 20:35, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

The association of Sherlock Holmes with deerstalker caps is mainly due to his being portrayed as often wearing one in films and on stage. Only one or two of the Sidney Paget Illustrations that appeared in the Strand Magazine accompanying the original Holmes stories showed him wearing a deerstalker, and always in the country, not in London where Holmes wore the correct tophat of the Victorian city man, or in more casual settings, a fedora. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.212.80.149 (talk) 23:31, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

What kind of hat is this?[edit]

My great grandfather wearing a hat of unknown type. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.71.77.81 (talk) 02:07, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

famous hat makers?[edit]

Borsalino not famous??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.70.151.90 (talk) 23:09, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Gibus?[edit]

I think that the gibus should be listed under the list of hats, or at least as a subsection of the top hat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.182.212.61 (talk) 23:21, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Tam o'Shanter[edit]

The article is missing any information on the famous Irish Tam o'Shanter (an excellent Scattergories entry by my dad, recently). An article does exist in wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tam_o'_Shanter_(cap)

173.21.214.165 (talk) 17:42, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

You must have missed it, it's right there in the "Hat styles" list. --McGeddon (talk) 17:47, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Would a section on hat etiquette be appropriate?[edit]

Looked at the etiquette article; no mention there. Vis a vis wearing a hat indoors, taking off a hat around certain people, not wearing a hat at the dinner table, and so on. Vranak (talk) 02:24, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Etiquette?[edit]

I came to this page expecting some sort of hat etiquette. Is there a reason there is no discussion of this on here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.253.224.41 (talk) 03:46, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Stetson[edit]

is a *brand* of hat, not a type--they make a variety of hat types... so the picture of the cowboy hat should be moved up to Cowboy Hat.--Hitsuji Kinno (talk) 17:12, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 May 2012[edit]

You do not have any Mexican hats here! Such as the sombrero, the mariachi hats or the various Mexican straw hats. OrtizHernandez (talk) 16:03, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Sombrero is shown alphabetically in 'Hat styles' and has been there more than a year, but it is the only one described as Mexican. Can you suggest any other specific styles? Dru of Id (talk) 18:02, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Kippah[edit]

or yarmulka needs to be added to this article — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:558:6045:56:3589:2B3:B7D9:831E (talk) 21:38, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Hat identification[edit]

What kind of hat is this?

Thanks. howcheng {chat} 19:10, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Fruit Hat ?[edit]

Should Fruit hat be added? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_hat


--Keesto (talk) 21:23, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Adding cavalier hat - need article first?[edit]

Does there have to be an article to start a section? Here's Wikicommons search that has several photos, including the below. Thanks. CarolMooreDC 04:58, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


Frans Hals' Laughing Cavalier wears a broadbrimmed hat, 1624
Cavalier hats - 1.
Cavalier hats - 2.

Hat table is wrong[edit]

If you look at the hat table, the American hat sizes are wrong. There may be other errors in the table as well, but I can only speak to American hat sizes. 68.55.209.130 (talk) 13:42, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

List of hat types and article split for discussion[edit]

The article as it stands seems pretty unwieldy, which is why I was surprised that two separate users (ie, User:Cramyourspam (who explicitly says they cannot be reached for comment) and User:Gilabrand reverted a pretty logical, appropriate article split (by User:Xyz7890 which transferred a huge table with lots of images to an article of its own. The explanation from Cramyourspam was: "good jumping-off point to obscure wikilinked types" - which surely describes the reasoning behind List of hat types. We already have LOTS of picture files on Hat as it is, so anything that reduces load time or makes the reader experience a bit more intuitive is surely a good thing. I see a case for a VERY much shortened list on this oage of the MOST widespread styles of hat, with a link to the longer list/table but vague entries like "Mother of the Bride Hat" (with an equally random picture, I see...) don't really help any... Mabalu (talk) 15:53, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

TF2[edit]

I think this needs to be emailed to the TF2 team. 92.81.85.41 (talk) 15:50, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Request separate articles for women's hats & men's hats[edit]

At this point (2014-Jun-07), most of the images identifying hats are pictures of men's hats, but much of the text is about women's hats with some women's hats shown on the side. The subject of hats is so broad that it makes sense to have separate articles about men's & women's hats, which historically have been quite different in many cultures, though less so in recent years in the West. As the article grows & expands, mixing the hats of both sexes would make it a daunting task to locate & identify a particular type of hat. An alternative would be separate men's & women's sections in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aimzzz (talkcontribs) 13:55, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Rice Paddy Hat[edit]

Please see Talk:Rice Paddy Hat#Page move from Conical Asian hat to Rice Paddy Hat. Thank you. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:18, 27 October 2014 (UTC)