Talk:Head of government

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This really ought to gonto an article on parliamentary systems of government

The system is marked by the following:0 43ver

  • The formation of a government answerable to parliament by a member (sometimes the leader) of the party or parties;
  • Full answerability of that government to parliament through
    • the ability of parliament to vote no confidence;
    • the requirement that the government gain and hold Supply;
    • answerability for its actions to whichever house (almost invariably the democratically elected upper house) controls Supply

I agree it should be in such an article, but because we are talking about a separate head of government, that requires clarifying how such a system within which a separate head of government operates, actually works. So I think this is one of the instances were duplication is necessary.

I'm going to put the bit back for that reason. I will be revisiting the article later and I may rephrase or re-contextualise the above. I certainly take your point seriously. JTD 22:35 Jan 21, 2003 (UTC)

I've rewritten bits to stress where I am talking about a parliamentary system-prime minister. I think there may be more clarity. I've bullet-pointed your opening paragraph to highlight the three distinctions; presidential, semi-presidential and parliamentary. When I get the chance I'll add in more info. Are you happy with the reshaping? JTD 23:14 Jan 21, 2003 (UTC)


I cleaned up the spelling and punctuation of this article, and took out the misunderstanding about 10 Downing St.

Guinnog


Head of Government???[edit]

Really? Not exactly the same phrase as Head of State, which is of course the Monarch/viceroy. Is "head of government" even language? I'd thought "leader", as "head" Head of state, which does NOT apply to the viceroy, governor(-general) etcetera who are only his representatives. See the caige articles Fastifex 13:37, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I gather that in both Koreas, the Prime Minister was dominated by the President, but I don't know if it's still the case. Does that bear mentioning anywhere? Our section on relatively weak heads of government seems to refer only to absolute monarchies. Boris B 06:59, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism[edit]

I found the following sub-literate drivel at the end of the second paragraph but it doesn't show up on the edit page so I don't know how to fix it.

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Chief officer of the executive branch?[edit]

Terminology is tough, I know, but is the Head of Government really necessarily the chief officer of the executive branch, as it says in the first sentence? In semi-presidential systems and many parliamentary systems, the chief executive office sits above the Government (or "Administration", in American terms). The person who heads the Government is not necessarily the head of the entire executive branch of government. SteveMcQwark (talk) 05:41, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Constitutional monarchy[edit]

Should British monarch be counted as head of government alongside Prime Minister as well ? By constitutional convention, monarch is head of Parliament

Also for King of Netherlands is similar, since Dutch constitution specifies that government is consisted of Crown(king) and his ministers

Siyac —Preceding undated comment added 14:40, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Head of Government[edit]

President of France is also head of government, since he chairs cabinet meeting, is this correct ?

(talk) 01:30, 05 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Siyac (talkcontribs)

Merger with Prime Minister[edit]

Mrodowicz (talk) 07:19, 12 December 2012 (UTC)Having two separate articles for this position, is duplication. The discussion of prime minister, is essentially about the role of the head of government, and the two are pretty much interchangable. Of course there are some countries whose head of government is not titled 'Prime minister' in their native language (eg. Germany, Austria, Monaco, Italy, Israel, Russia, Spain, Scandinavian countries, Pakistan, Vatican City etc). Furthermore, English language convention in general is to refer to nearly all heads of govt as PM, regardless of the actual title in the native language, with a small number of exceptions (Germany & Austria - Chancellor, Monaco - Minister of State, Vatican City - Secretary of State). However, having two separate articles has shown itself to be problematic. For example, German chancellor - Angela Merkel is discussed and included in the 'Prime minister' article as a 'prime minister of Germany' as opposed to Germany having no prime minister. Is she then a 'prime minister' or not? A further problem is which countries heads of government should be included as prime ministers in the 'Prime minister' article? The head of government of Pakistan has the official title of 'Grand Vizier', and is referred to as such in the Urdu language. However, in the English language his title is translated as the 'Prime Minister of Pakistan'. If we were to conclude that Merkel is chancellor and not prime minister of Germany, (as both the German and English languages would indicate) then what about the "Grand Vizier of Pakistan'? - according to his official title he is not the prime minister of Pakistan, but according to the English translation of his role, he is the prime minister of Pakistan.

I therefore suggest one article on Heads of government, in which the position is defind. It will be mentioned within the article that the most common title for head of government is 'prime minister' as well as which other titles are used to describe this role.Mrodowicz (talk) 07:19, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

I agree that all substantive and generic Head of Government related information should be moved here from the Prime Minister article. The PM article should only deal with the etymology of that expression, and links to offices which use that particular title. The Head of State article, which I have contributed to, may serve as inspiration and many sources used over there could also be used in this article as well. RicJac (talk) 04:55, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Many countries have a singular head of government and head of state, or a Prime Minister who does not wield the power of head of government. We need to keep historical Prime Ministers from countries which have abolished that position and replaced it with something else. Agreed that Chief Ministers, should be moved, but positions like Premier and Chancellor are not as clear. 204.89.57.225 (talk) 17:31, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
The Head of Government talks about the other positions besides Prime Minister as mentioned in the header. There was no merged for the other pages for the different heads of government. I oppose the merge. Rtkat3 (Rtkat3) 5:56, April 30 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose Both are equally important, should never be merged. Faizan 14:45, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose Faizan's right. Both of them are important. Keivan.fTalk 17:33, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

In more than six months there has been very little discussion of this merger proposal, and there is clearly no consensus for the merge, so I am removing the tag. Neutron (talk) 22:18, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

  • Oppose One is a head of government in general, and one is specifically a prime minister. I don't know why this was even proposed in the first place. Ithinkicahn (talk) 03:00, 26 October 2013 (UTC)