Talk:Henry III of France

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I've moved this from "Henri III of France" - not only is this the more common spelling in English, we also have articles at Henry II of France and Henry IV of France, so it was inconsistent at the French spelling. --Camembert

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I'm confused - Did Henry flee Paris in fear of Guise and/or did he flee after the murder of Guise? --mav

Henry fled Paris because the Parisian mob, incited by Guise-led preachers since 1585, led by Guise's revolutionary team (the Sixteen), funded by Philip II of Spain, and inspired by Guise's entry into the city, overwhelmed Henry's army and threatened him in his own palace (the Louvre) on 12-May-1588. Henry III arranged for Guise's murder afterwards.

Jambo

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Also, shouldn't this article be moved to Henry III of Poland and France (chronological order) or Henry III of France and Poland (alphabetical order)? AAMoF he was a king of Poland as well. Halibutt 16:14, Jun 19, 2004 (UTC)

No need of that. He was a king of Poland only for a short while. Besides, he wasn't Henry III in Poland. I'd move Sigismund I of Sweden] to Sigismund III of Poland, though, as he was a Polish king first, and far longer than a Swedish one. 09:49, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

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I think this article is a little light on Henry's time in Poland. He was only there for a short time, but that period was a significant time in Polish history. I added wording to indicate that he fled Poland and didn't just "return" to France. He was later dethroned, although he retained the title of King of Poland.

Sexuality

Henry III's attraction for young males is well-documented (But to which extents did he go? Did he engage in homosexual sex?). There are however also signs that he may have been bisexual (I once saw it mentioned that he and his brothers had sex with their sister Marguerite...). David.Monniaux 23:30, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Here's a paragraph I got off of www.biocrawler.com

"Although he had been married on February 13 1575 to Louise de Lorraine-Vaudémont, and expected to produce an heir, the transvestite King Henry III was not highly respected by the citizens or the nobility as he paraded around dressed in women's clothes, accompanied by a number of youthful male attendants referred to as his mignons (darlings)."

Unfortunately I haven't been able to find a "legimate" source to confirm/deny any information in regards to his sexuality or habits of dress so I putting this info here instead of in the article. As soon as I find something the revelant info will be added to the offical article page. --Dreammyth 17:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I removed it this April, because I could not find a legitmate source confirming or denying the statement. I would not have deleted it, otherwise. If it's true, it should be put back in, if it's some speculative nonsense, "Out it should stay". Dr. Dan 23:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Anonymous editor, we're back to square one. If these allegations are true or can be substantianted, let them stay in the article. If they are from a tabloid-like source please remove them. Dr. Dan 23:17, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

A good source on Henry's sexuality would be A.L. Rowse, the eminent historian, in his book "Homosexuals in History."--Kstern999 16:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

It is a well known historical fact that he was a homosexual. I'm reading a Catherine de Medici biography which repeatedly cites sources. I've also seen it in oter sources. When I have my computer and the book I will cite it here. Agrippina Minor

Although I did not read Alexandre Dumas "La Reine Margot", I did read "La Dame de Monsoreau" and "The Fourty-Five Guardsmen" (both books chronologically follow the first), which clearly depict Henry III as homosexual, that being the source for several jokes and gags. I think that the paragraph where it says that "La Reine Margot" doesn't describe him as homosexual should be removed, because it is at least misleading.guillep2k —Preceding comment was added at 01:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Name

Shouldn't this article be rather at Henry III of Poland and France? Or perhaps Henry III de Valois, to avoid confusion... Halibutt 03:02, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Do you mean like Wladislaw II of Lithuania and Poland? Dr. Dan 23:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Nope, unlike Jogaila/Jagiełło, Henry was actually the king of both states. //Halibutt 00:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

For 90 days or was it a little longer? Incidentally, which Polish King, reigned the longest? Dr. Dan 20:20, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Henry III was French and was King of France for 15 years. He was king of Poland for a few months, and left ingloriously when his brother died and he became King of France. He was also not king of the two countries at the same time (except the brief period from when his brother died till when he left Poland) john k 11:31, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Picture

The picture at the top right of this article that is supposedly of Henri III when he was duc d'Anjou may actually be a picture of his younger brother, Francois, duc d'Alencon (and later duc d'Anjou). Someone needs to check this out.

The description on the image page (in French) says it used to be identified as a picture of Alençon, but that it has now been shown to be of Henri. I'm not sure, but I suppose we should stick with that. On the other hand, why two pictures in the same place? john k 11:31, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Check out this page, which features a drawing of Alençon:

http://hfriedberg.web.wesleyan.edu/wescourses/2005f/engl205/01/histories/alencon.htm

it's the same person as the pic featured on this page - and the name of the sitter is written right on the drawing. I'm no expert of 16th century art, but the two paintings featured at right on the page for Henri III do not look like the same person. CassieBlue 22:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

The inscription is false. Look at here Henry III :[1]--83.198.152.44 22:05, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

NO, look also here:

• [2]
• [3] ... the inscription is not false! you can clearly read "le duc d'alencon" in the upper right and henri did never had this apanage ... and the picture also matches with a portrait of the young duke francois of alencon-anjou: [4]

... if someone can clearly verify the picure as Henri III then it can stay!! 26. August 06

No, Francois had a big nose and Henri had a small nose like here [5] and here [6]

The inscription "le duc d'alencon" is wrong because it had been written in XVII or XVIII century. Read here [7]. Look here four portraits of François (with his big nose) [8] --83.192.108.110 14:27, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, THANKS A LOT for the research you did! You convinced me ... and we can add the picture again.

polish influences section has no sources

this articles needs to cite stuff, particularly the polish part, sounds like folklore to me.

• I have updated, this section and cited sources. Additionally, I renamed this section Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, as it is more accurately reflects the contents. MJSplant (talk) 14:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth

The two sections, "Reign" and "Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth" should be merged into one cohesive section. Obviously, appropriate weight to the three month "reign" needs to be taken into consideration, when and if this is done. Dr. Dan (talk) 01:53, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

His name changed?

In 1564, his name became Henri

What was it before? Why was his name changed?

Top.Squark (talk) 11:48, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Forks and other things

The article claims, "Other inventions introduced to the French by the Polish included a bath with regulated hot and cold water and the fork."

Is ChaCha correct http://www.chacha.com/question/who-introduced-the-fork-to-the-french, or is Matylda http://www.sztuka.pl/index.php?id=111&tx_ttnews correct? Dr. Dan (talk) 17:37, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

For the fork, mais Catherine de Médicis, voyons !! ChaCha is correct.

--Frania W. (talk) 18:24, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

C'est ce que je pensais être le cas. Pensez-vous que l'information erronée devrait être retiré, ou si une autre guerre mondiale éclate? Dr. Dan (talk) 20:50, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Allez-y et retirez l'information erronée. Je couvrirai vos arrières ! Translation: Go ahead & remove, I'll cover your rearguard!

Here is the backup [9]. In section "La cuisine médiévale", scroll down to 5th paragraph beginning :" A cette époque, on appréciait particulièrement les pâtés de viande..."

This will have to do for the time being, while I am trying to find a more wikiacceptable source.

--Frania W. (talk) 22:09, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you kindly for the information. I found the web page quite informative and I might try out a recipe from there too. What do you know about the hot water issue? It is an unusual claim, yet many unusual claims are made at this project. Some are more often made from certain quarters, but nevertheless, let's try to get to the bottom of that one. L'honneur de la France n'est certainement pas en jeu à ce sujet, mais si c'est un non-sens, il va dans la poubelle. Dr. Dan (talk) 01:08, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

I have not found anything on the hot water issue yet as I have been busy on... other fronts. Quant à l'honneur de la France, il en a vu d'autres! --Frania W. (talk) 01:13, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Vivian Davis?

There is a reference to the science fiction novel "Vive le Roi!" by Vivian Davis. I've searched the web through and through but couldn't find anything about this mysterious author. Nor did I find the book. Now, who the hell is this Vivian Davis? Any ideas? --Jackbars (talk) 18:56, 28 July 2011 (UTC)