Talk:Hergé

POV problems

There are some subtle POV issues in this article, especially in the World War II section. The article says that Herge is anti-semetic because some of his villains look like Jews, but then states that some other villains look like Germans, implying that this is a good thing. It is POV for an article to imply that villains of one nationality are acceptable and villains of another nationality are unacceptable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.143.75.103 (talk) 14:09, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Dialacts

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(how's this? Well, his initials are "GR", or if you put surname first, "RG". I am guessing his language was French, since that is one of the two Belgian languages and Remi looks more French than Dutch. The French name for the letter R is pronounced something like "Air", and for G, something between "Jay" and "Shay". The French would prounounce "Hergé" something like "Airjay" or "Airshay".)

I'd write it "Airh-jhay", where "jh" is pronounced the 2nd g in "garage". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.85.83.170 (talk) 23:52, 4 February 2006

And "rh"? —Tamfang 16:31, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

(comment: Hergé was Frankophone, though apparently he did speak some Dutch, because the artificial languages he used in his albums were mostly or all based on (a French phonetic?) representation of a Dutch dialect called Marollenvlaams, as spoken in Brussels. --branko)

Actually, I think it was his grandmother who spoke Marols. He was basing those artificial languages mostly on his childhood memories of her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.112.113.81 (talk) 03:40, 15 April 2005

Herge spoke flemish dialect. Dutch is the language of the Netherlands. At the time of Herge's youth, this language was repressed in Belgium, only dialect would have been spoken in Brussels and Marollien is one such dialect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.41.142.242 (talk) 02:18, 26 July 2005

In one English version of "The Broken Ear" the Amazonian natives speak a language which, if read aloud, turns out to be Cockney. Das Baz 20:18, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

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"He decided to create a comic strip of his own, which would adopt the recent American innovation of using speech balloons to depict words come out of the characters' mouths." The quote "recent American innovation" is not completely true. Actually speech balloons or similar depictions of speech had been used in Europe for a long time before the americans started using them. The standardization of usage, and the foundations of the "syntax" for modern comics could be claimed to have originated during the late 19th-early 20th century ion US, though... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.112.113.105 (talk) 06:07, 1 December 2004

Catholics and scouting

I was brought up a bit short by the passing mention implying that Catholics were more likely to be Boy Scouts than, say, Protestants. Is there any evidence for this? Scouting was invented in Britain, and first took wide hold in the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa, as well as the US, whose populations (excluding South African blacks) are majority-Protestant. Admittedly, Malta was the first country outside the UK to take up the movement. Is there some general reputation I am unaware of for a greater Catholic affinity, past or present, for scouting? LeoO3 06:22, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

In Belgium the situation was and still to a certain extent is that Catholics become scouts. There are other youth organs outside the Church but as with many things in Belgium, Political, Language and Religious lines determine association in civil society. Even healthcare programs are split by catholic, socialist, liberal and independant pillars. See : Pillarization —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.41.142.242 (talk) 02:20, 26 July 2005

limited references to whitewash a rather dubious character

I find there are far too few references in this article. What's particularly disappointing is that Hergé's ties to the extreme right seem to be played down. It was not without reasons that he got into trouble with the resistance after WWII. He is a very controversial person though his graphic work is indeed quite popular. The notion that his comics are critical of Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy also seems to be a recent revision. Those adventures could equally be seen as dealing with the Balkan Wars and conflicts.--Caranorn 13:33, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like you know your stuff; I look forward to reading your additions. - DavidWBrooks 18:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Well I'll have to dig through a number of boxes first with no guarantee that I will actually find my those articles about Hergé. Not to speak of TV documentaries that I obviously cannot provide now. For the time being what I'd really like to see is sources to support the material currently in the article as much of it looks like original research.--Caranorn 20:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

This is barking up the wrong tree, in several respects. Hergé is famous for changing Tintin in response to criticisms, for example, when alerted by a Chinese man, writing The Blue Lotus to portray the Japanese as contriving the incident which started the war with China. It's not correct to say that his work is critical of fascists only in revisions. The original "King Ottokar's Scepter", written in 1938, presents the anti-government, anti-royalty groups in a quite unfavorable light. The plane Tintin escapes in is marked "HEINKEL", implying that the Nazis were war-mongering (a topic that Herge had made pointed abrasive comments about in "The Broken Ear". Finally, people who went about their jobs in Nazi-occupied countries were oppressed, living under the threat of death or arrest. Those millions weren't all left wing just because they failed to join the resistance. For a broader perspective on occupation, you'll find "French and Germans, Germans and French" by Richard Cobb, and "The Rape of Europa" by Lynn H. Nicholas enlightening and extremely interesting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alpha Ralpha Boulevard (talk • contribs) 18:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I have added certain referenced links between Hergé and the neutralist and collaborationist scene. Like many swept up in the uncertainty of the times, Hergé was contrite about his wartime activities. However, at least one author (Frey) feels his work continued to embody anti-Semitic stereotypes long after the war (e.g. Flight 714).99.240.139.189 (talk) 02:36, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Middle name

His middle name is Prosper. I thought it's well-known, but here is a source: French newspaper L'EXPRESS: [1] or the British Telegraph: [2]. 62.245.207.2 (talk) 00:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC).

The ref is good, Mr. 62.245.207.2. I added it to the ref section as it had wider application than just the middle name. MURGH ^disc. 01:27, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Popol et Virginie

In the table under the Bibliography section, I see two books one entitled Popol out West (published 1934) and another entitled The Adventures of Tim the Squirrel in the Far West. Having read Popol et Virginie chez les Lapinos, based on the two titles listed in the table, they sound like the same BD to me. I have never heard of The Adventures of Tim the Squirrel in the Far West so I am hesitant to make any changes, but could anyone familiar with these two books please comment? Thibbs 23:06, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

I would have to check, but as far as I remember, Popol and Virginie is a new comic, but whith the story very much reused from the earlier Tim the Squirrel. I think the logical thing would be to redirect Tim the Squirrel to Popol and Virginie, and include a paraghraph there explaining the relationship between them. Fram 11:31, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Mural

Herge's Scout mural found in old school corridor --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 13:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

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GA?

OK this has been nominated for a GA review.

I'll do a proper read through later but things that stand out are the need for some more sourcing on the awards (I should be able to sort some of that out) and the appropriation section (which seems like a more natural fit for the Tintin article).

Any other thoughts? ANy sources you have that could be used here? (Emperor (talk) 20:02, 24 March 2009 (UTC))

• I don't have any books to hand, it'd all have to be done through inter-library loans. They can take a while too. Sorry. Hiding T 20:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
• Thinking about it though, there's a TCJ with a translated interview with Hergé, issue 250. I used it in The Adventures of Tintin. That might have some value. Hiding T 20:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

It just might. :) BOZ (talk) 22:08, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes indeed - I think at this stage we don't have to have stripmined all of the sources - that is more the kind of thing that will need to be done as we aim for FA. Instead we need to make sure the coverage is solid and we have everything well sourced. Clearly the more the better but don't bust your hump trying to track down every source (at this stage) as long as we have a range of good ones. (Emperor (talk) 00:45, 25 March 2009 (UTC))

• • REFS-very few refs outside of Goddin, can we get a larger variety of refs? — Rlevse • Talk • 00:57, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

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