Talk:Hermann Göring

Early life/Ritter von Epenstein

The following sentence is in the second paragraph of this section: "In 1914 he tried to commit suicide however, he was found by his mother, Joseph Goring and was sent to hospital." First, I'm not sure if the "he" who attempted suicide was Goring or Ritter von Epenstein, given the flow of the paragraph. Second, surely Joseph Goring was not someone's mother. A part of this sentence must be missing. --JGC1010 (talk) 02:49, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

After all this time, I figured it was okay to just delete the name Joseph Goring from the sentence quoted above.JGC1010 (talk) 20:24, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Revision

I have moved some things around, posted a picture from Wikimedia Commons, fixed several of the citations, added a few citations, and fixed some sections, including revamping the "Sources" section.

I still believe that this article needs to be reorganized in a few places, and is perhaps overlong in one or two spots.

Some better links need to be put together as well. I have updated the Wikimedia Commons page too.

TuckerResearch (talk) 17:31, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Pour le Merite requirements

In my extensive work in the subject area of World War I fighter aces, I have never seen a requirement of 25 victories for awarding the Blue Max. http://www.pourlemerite.org/ relates the shifting requirements; originally set at 8 victories, it then was moved upwards to 16 victories, then 20. I have never seen any information that it rose as high as 25 victories. Indeed, several pilots were awaiting approval based on achieving 20 victories when the Kaiser abdicated.

I believe the comment "(despite not having the required 25 air victories)" is incorrect, and I have removed it. Because I am baffled by the process of posting a non-citation, I have noted my source here.

If there is a reliable source for the requirement of 25 victories, then the phrase can be reinstated. Also, I would like to know about that source, as it may affect my writings for Wikipedia.

Georgejdorner (talk) 19:33, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

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I have found more info on the above. It seems that while the standard was 20 victories for a Blue Max, Goering had his old buddy Bruno Loerzer lobby for Hermann to receive the Pour le Merite with only 18 victories.

I have changed the article to reflect this info.

Georgejdorner (talk) 00:44, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Complicity in the Holocaust

Personal associations may have also shaped Goering's attitude toward individual Jews. It is reputed that he intervened to save at least one of his former comrades-in-arms, Fritz Beckhardt. However, Berthold Guthmann was another Jewish flier who served with Goering; he died in Auschwitz.

I am seeking reliable source(s) for the above. Can anyone help me out?

Georgejdorner (talk) 20:02, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

"and Göring's complicity in the Final Solution remains a point of contention" - excuse me, but by whom? Holocaust deniers and revisionists? His part in the Holocaust is beyond doubt, and any history course concerning this topic in universities states this as fact, as do the reliable historical scholars. This line should be removed, or greatly modified to reflect reality. The David Irving's of the world will never affect solid academic judgement. HammerFilmFan (talk) 16:07, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I have removed the whole paragraph. Of course it is a fact that he knew all. The article needs a ton of work and I will be coming over here once I have finished JFK. Thanks for the suggestion. --Dianna (talk) 16:24, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Nuremberg

I read in a history book that, while other Nazis "could not believe what they had done", Goring had "smiled and appeared bored" while watching footage of the Holocaust the trials, and that he his "jokes about the Holocaust and lack of remorse horrified judges". I don't see this in the article. There is very little about Nuremberg in this article.--66.177.73.86 (talk) 16:51, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

There's an entire large section about it, actually; and a whole separate article too. However, point us to some references with the quotes you've provided, and we can consider including them. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 17:05, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

No need to be rude. The section in this article is hardly what anyone would call "large". In fact, it's minuscule. The book is "The Human Odyssey: From Modern Times to Our Contemporary Era, Volume 3", edited by Mary Beth Klee, John Cribb, and John Holdren.--66.177.73.86 (talk) 18:33, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Never any need to be rude, so I wasn't; asking for references is what one does when presented with information like that. Feel free to enter those quotes in the appropriate place in the article; you're not only welcome to do so, you're encouraged to do so, since you have the book in your hands. The section could use some expansion. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 22:06, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Archiving

Does anyone object to me setting up automatic archiving for this page using MiszaBot? Unless otherwise agreed, I would set it to archive threads that have been inactive for 30 days and keep at least ten threads.--Oneiros (talk) 16:42, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Y Done--Oneiros (talk) 12:11, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

NPOV?

Winston Churchill was considerably more overweight and in much poorer physical condition than Göring. Churchill and Göring were both notorious addicts. It is clear from comparing the articles on these men that one of them is not presenting a neutral point of view. I find the petty jabs at Göring greatly distract from the reason we all shudder upon hearing his name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NOrbeck (talk • contribs) 08:35, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

It's worse than that. Some of the sources for this Goering article are crap. Specifically I refer to that Tripod page that says that Goering was still addicted to narcotics in 1945. This was probably a rumor that somebody started at the time. There are some authoritative books online that state that Goering kicked his addiction at a Swedish clinic in the 1920s. Your Buddy Fred Lewis (talk) 07:15, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Edda Göring

In "Hitler's Children: Sons and Daughters of Leaders of the Third Reich Talk About Their Fathers and Themselves" by Gerald Posner, Edda Göring is quoted to have said she was named after the old Icelandic Poetic Edda, a collection of poems, and that Göring disliked Mussolini and would never have named her after his daughter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mubli (talk • contribs) 22:27, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

What ever became of her anyway? There doesn't seem to be much interest here 8in the survivors of the families of Nazi leaders. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.238.141.225 (talk) 20:33, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Role in the Reichstag

This article contains nothing about Goering's position as Speaker of the Reichstag -- and HHitler's apparent fear of his control of the Party.

Nor is there anything about his personal cruelty to the left members of the Reichstag after they had been thrown into the camps.

-dlj. User talk:DavidLJ [1]

Reichstag fire

Re: Göring's responsibility for the Reichstag fire, this section of the article did a fairly good job with the history of the debate, but in his The Third Reich Trilogy, Richard J. Evans is more firm that there is no evidence indicating that Göring was responsible and that it is not implausible that Lubbe could have succeeded alone. I don't have the book in front of me but I will check his references later and see what sources he relies on for his account. Anthony Mohen (talk) 17:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)