Talk:Hermann Oberth

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First liquid-fueled rocket?[edit]

Hello, sorry, this is my first comment in wiki, so don't know if is correctly placed. Just a small point - Hermann Oberth wasn't the first one who launched First liquid-fueled rocket. IMHO it was Robert Goddard in 1926 - it just need to find some source. I didn't read whole article from Le monde [4] but the part I saw: he only proposed to use rocket in 1917, but he did not use it. Sorry if I made some mess, if somebody can make my point proper. Thanks, Matej (15:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC))

The article does not say that he was.184.155.130.147 (talk) 05:30, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

University in Munich[edit]

I am currently in the process of translating from the Romanian-language article, which is the most comprehensive. That article refers to Oberth as studying medicine at the "Universitatea din Munchen" (University of Munich). I am unaware of any such University. I'd guess it means the Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität, but I'm really hesitant to put a guess in an encyclopedia article, so I am just saying he studied in Munich. If any one actually knows what university he studied at, please feel free to correct the article. Jmabel 00:06, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)


German or Romanian?[edit]

Wouldn't it be more correct to say that Oberth was a Romanian Physicist?

No, because he was an ethnical german born in Austria-Hungary, in a region that is now Romania. Besides this, he spent much of his life in Germany and made most of his scientific discoveries there. So, he is a german physicist, but that doesn't mean he isn't highly respected on his birth place. Mihai -talk 08:21, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Hei, that region was a romanian region from the year 1260.That land is and it will always be in Romania. TKS

Transylvania is part of Romania from 1918/1920, not from 1260. Also, it had major German and Hungarian population.Baxter9 (talk) 22:11, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Sorry but it never had any other major population other than Romanian. Germans and Hungarians were always minorities. The treaty of trianon only returned Transylvania to Romania after 200 years of occupation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.127.140.221 (talk) 19:50, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Dear unsigned commenter, let's stop debating something that has no relevance to this article and any propagandastic statement should be ignored in the future. Transylvania had many major populations from the late antiquity in which Hungarians dominated for a while, approx. until the 16th-17th century. Transylvania were joined - not returned - to Romania in 1920, and not after a "200 years occupation", just check the status quo and the existing states in 1720.(KIENGIR (talk) 18:14, 22 December 2013 (UTC))
German. My family is from Russia. We live in the USA now. We are 100% German.184.155.130.147 (talk) 05:36, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Azimuth?[edit]

The A4 (aka V-2) is credited with an "azimuth of 50 miles" in the article. I suspect a well-meaning but misinformed person is referring to the system's apogee (its maximum altitude). Apogee is a poor measure of a rocket's performance, however, without discussing the range and payload of the system. Describing a missile by its length and apogee is almost as bad as describing a racehorse by saying "he's brown with dark eyes, and he can run a mile." I suggest that the description of the A4 be replaced with information from the V-2 rocket article: "The V-2 had an operational range of about 300 km (200 statute miles) carrying a 1000 kg (2,200 lb) warhead."

Goddard's Criticism of Oberth[edit]

I don't know if folks want to include this, but Robert Goddard was extremely critical of Oberth. He believed that Oberth plagiarized the work Goddard published in 1920, and was very bitter about him all through his life. DonPMitchell 23:08, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

BTW, I don't believe Goddard was justified in this, although Oberth was aware of Goddard's 1919 book and some of this ideas (staged rockets, and some of the math) may have been borrowed from or inspired by Goddard. DonPMitchell (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 07:02, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Romanian?[edit]

I need people who claim that he was Romanian to indicate what logic they follow. He was born in Austria-Hungary, never had Romanian citizenship afaik, and left his native region it was Romanian... Dahn 07:02, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Never mind. I see now he left in 1938. Dahn 07:13, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 16:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Place of Birth[edit]

Was Oberth born in the city of Schäßburg or in Hermannstadt? The German-language Wikipedia suggests Hermannstadt. --Groshna (talk) 12:04, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Technical Information[edit]

A worthy project would be to add some actual technical information about Oberth's discoveries. He was apparently not aware of the prior work of Tsiolkovsky, Esnault-Pelterie and Goddard, but his 1923 booklet has some important new ideas in it. In particular, his analysis of exhaust speed and thermodynamics and mixture ratios was very new and important. DonPMitchell (talk) 04:25, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

these things were in his 1929 book. I'm just now reading the 1923 booklet, which appears to be rather basic in comparison to his large book six years later. DonPMitchell (talk) 14:07, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Hermann and Extraterrestrials[edit]

On an episode of UFO Hunters, they say that Oberth said "men from other worlds helped us" and that he was involved with some supernatural society later in life that included mediums, as well as his having served as honorary president of the German UFO society. Do you think that UFO Hunters is a credible source (It's history channel).PonileExpress (talk) 22:56, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, he definitely claimed that technologically "we have been helped by people from other worlds". 80.47.96.142 (talk) 10:58, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Do you have a source for that? Or are you simply making a statement of your belief? Oboroten (talk) 01:47, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

From The Americian Weekly, October 1954: 'It is my thesis that flying saucers are real and that they are space ships from another solar system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.78.124.94 (talk) 07:49, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

German / Hungarian / Austro-Hungarian / Romanian[edit]

State borders have changed enormously since Oberth was born and the issue of ethnicity is still a major issue in the region. It should be possible to use a formulation that doesn't apply anachronistic names, takes no sides and doesn't detract too much from the subject, which is Hermann Oberth, not European history. Censoring out any mention of Hungarian names can't be the answer. Martijn Meijering (talk) 13:26, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

ethnicly he is German134.3.76.108 (talk) 20:37, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Month of Publication[edit]

Die Rakete zu den Planetenräumen was publised in 1923, but how do we know it was in June? Astronautix.com says it was published in December. A Soviet newspaper mentiones it in October, so it came out before then. DonPMitchell (talk) 07:58, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Convair[edit]

There are conflicting reports about Oberth at Convair, that he was there in 1960, he was there for 9 months in 1961, he was there for two years from 1960-1962. Was he there for sure? What did he do? The Atlas was completed in 1957, and a pretty mature product by 1960. DonPMitchell (talk) 18:15, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Citizenship without nationality?[edit]

The article sidebar states:

Citizenship Romanian, Hungarian[citation needed] , German[1] Nationality German

How could he be a citizen of three nations, without holding nationality?

184.155.130.147 (talk) 19:29, 1 October 2014 (UTC)