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- 1 Straddle
- 2 Brill bend
- 3 Human limits
- 4 Link destroyed
- 5 Misleading graph?
- 6 Ad in links
- 7 Measuring heights
- 8 User 126.96.36.199
- 9 indoor vs. outdoor jumping
- 10 National records
- 11 Men (indoor)
- 12 Danielle Mendham
- 13 1st paragraph remarks
- 14 Competition Format
- 15 Un-encyclopedic style
- 16 More recent history
- 17 Standards?
- 18 MANY aspects of the article need work. Very incomplete presentation of "high jump"
- 19 Misspelling
- 20 Wikitables
- 21 But Imperial units are necessary?
- 22 Split history in jumping technique era's
- 23 Record attempt after a win?
I accept that you'll not often see any technique other than the Fosbury Flop these days.
But a competitor in this week's Commonwealth Games decathlon - Dale Garland of Guernsey who came 5th overall - straddled, and did so quite effectively. Thus it's not completely gone from top level competition, so should the reference to it be amended to be slightly less "past tense"? AndyofKent 10:50, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, the straddle is surely not absent. You will see the straddle in senior meets, in grade school, in deomonstrations.
- The biomechanical analysis by experts have come up with the straddle being within 2 cm of the flop in theoretical potential. For some body types the straddle wins over the flop. For some the flop wins theoretically. The article is prejudicially focused on one sector of high jump. Joefaust (talk) 03:43, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
i notice there is nothing about the Brill Bend in this article. Debbie Brill independently developed a version of the flop and is generally recognised as being a pioneer in the event. David D. (Talk) 04:01, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- Debbie is a girl and among boys there's also this one : http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/results/newsletter/200006/quande.html ONaNcle (talk) 17:23, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Is 2.50 meters possible? Three meters? How high does a roo jump? No info on those in the article. 188.8.131.52 14:44, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- Might add some stuff on that for comparison. Interesting idea. Cls14 16:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
The link to the Fosbury Flop (high jump technique) now goes to a Dutch music group with that name. They have made a page with an already existing name... Who can fix that? 184.108.40.206 17:29, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- Fixed. Why is Fosbury Flop the main page? It seems strnage to capitalise flop. I think we should make the Flop version the redirect and make the Fosbury flop the main page. Or is it standfard to capitalise Flop? David D. (Talk) 17:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I notice that the graph on men's high jump records over time does not have a zero point for the y axis (jump height). This serves to magnify and draw attention to the upward trend in jump heights. However, graphs which use this method should generally include a note that they have been cropped to provide additional detail, to avoid misleading the reader. (Such graphs, for instance, are widely used by political hucksters and other scam artists for misleading purposes). Shouldn't we add such a note? Kasreyn 04:20, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
- Nah. I think that where it starts at the baseline, it should be obvious that it is skewed. Plus, no one is trying to fool anyone here. Sfahey 03:35, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be an ad in the links. Does anyone agree with me on that? Should it be deleted? 220.127.116.11 13:39, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, it should be definately deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 20:14, August 28, 2007 (UTC)
States in the article that the jump is measure from where the jumper took off to the top of the lowest part of the bar. As fair as I am aware it is taken from the floor directly below the lowest part of the bar, not where the athlete took off. Can anyone tell me otherwise? Cls14 16:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- I guess it's assumed that area is level. I will clarify this sentence. Sfahey 02:45, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Can someone block user 22.214.171.124? I understand that it is the IP address for the United States Military Academy, but they have had a history of vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 22:59, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
- The above unsigned comment was given a false signature and then deleted, both vandalisms by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 23:49, 9 March 2014 (UTC) . --
indoor vs. outdoor jumping
- I suspect it comes from the fact that, with good reason, track records are kept separate since they are consistently slower on the smaller, indoor tracks. There should not be much, if any, difference between records for field events. Sfahey (talk) 04:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- Outdoors, but indoor jumps also count in high-jumping. Thatlot!! (talk) 16:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
The introduction says that Sotomayor is the indoor world record holder with 2.43, but the "Men (indoor)" section lists Thränhardt as number one with 2.42??? 184.108.40.206 (talk) 15:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Can anybody confirm the GBR national record held by this woman? I'm just curious, because 2.05 is quite high, and you'd think you'd find some information about an athlete by that name if you just typed it into Google. But nothing. --Flosch (talk) 20:25, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
1st paragraph remarks
1. For the men, both indoor and outdoor records are mentioned. For women there's only Kostadinova' outdoor record but Bergqvist's indoor record is missing.
2. For the women the record itself is missing (the height).
Can anyone fix this? Thanks Kvsh5 (talk) 07:40, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
- Seconded. For example, the article on Cornelius Johnson mentions that while he took 4th in LA in 1932, he would have won silver under the present tiebreaker rules. But what rules were those? -Dmh (talk) 04:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
- Well, it took a year, but I made a few steps in this regard. This once-fine article had two sections that alone clearly don't warrant the same size headings as "History" or top performers. Now, either I or someone else could add sections to complete the new "technical aspects" heading (take-off, landing, etc.). Sfahey (talk) 22:19, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
More recent history
Does anyone know about more recent history of the sport. I'm most curious why there is such a decline in the heights athletes jump nowadays. With the exception of Voronin in 2000, the highest recent jumps are at 2.38; what is going on? 220.127.116.11 (talk) 21:31, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Are there standards, such as how far apart the uprights are placed? How is a competition conducted? What are the rules? What governs when the bar is raised, and by how much? 18.104.22.168 (talk) 14:37, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
MANY aspects of the article need work. Very incomplete presentation of "high jump"
- "high jump" has culture much larger than just the contemporary Olympic-directioned competitive sport.
- Evidence for historical remarks should be called forward. The rules in some sectors have a history that is not yet present in the article.
- In some nations in organizing high jumping, letting the head get over the vertical projection of the bar first would have been counted as a foul.
- The modern controversy and history of the thickness of the sole of the allowed shoe is a device history important to last 50 years of modern sport high jumping.
- The high jump bar has a history that affects records.
- Age-graded gender-distinct records have been important in the high jump culture in the last 50 years. The simplistic absolute world record focus is a prejudice in the article.
- Para-high jumping could be more present.
- The Watussi high jumping and its cultural position has been noteworthy and is the subject of a book by UK author John Bale. Some world records were foundationally inspired by the fact of those stories and events.
- Barefoot and one-shoe jumpers are part of the shoe story of the high jump in human history.
- Assist mounds and assist stones and assist weights have been part of the noteworthy history of high jumping.
- Noteworthy changes from flat dirt, piles of leaves, sand pits, sawdust pits, segmented open-foam pits, encased foam pits, airbeam pits ... have an important notewothy strand that needs attention for an encyclopedic treatment of the high jump.
- The jumping an amount that is so much over one's head has been a noteworthy aspect of the high jump.
- The author of a book on Straddle seems not to here; he has a wealth of key information that has should occur in the article. Belly Roll: the Straddle Style of High Jumping and its Impact on the Sport of Track & Field by Geoffrey Nelson.
- The 300 page book by the a Russian coach needs to be brought into the article.
- Theories of training specifically for the high jump is much undercovered in the article so far.
- Severely colorful noteworthy high jump moments are missing from the article.
- Team high jumping could be noted.
- Endurance high jumping is not covered.
- Orthopedic comment on age jumping is not covered.
- Injury types that occur in high jumping is not covered.
- The article is severely prejudiced toward the top end of only organized Olympic-destined absolute-height high jumping. There is so much more to the high jump than such focus.
But Imperial units are necessary?
- For the American audience, which makes up a significant percentage of the english speaking world, we need to use Imperial measurements. Otherwise, the American's do not understand the measurements. Trackinfo (talk) 06:59, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
- We now have the T&Fcalc template which makes the conversion more accurately. This gets significant with Sotomayor's world record, which has been erroneously reported (until I changed it tonight) as 8' 0 1/2" while mathematically it comes out at 8' 0.4567" In Athletics, we round all decimals down, making the calculator give the proper measurement at 8' 0 1/4" Trackinfo (talk) 07:03, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Split history in jumping technique era's
Perhaps it's an idea to split the history paragraph into the different jumping technique era's, such as underneath (not sure whether the years are correct, though roughly they are.):
- Beginnings (1790 - 1875) --> two legged lift over bar
- Basic Scissors (1875 - 1892) --> standing jump and straight run-up
- Eastern Cut-off scissors (1892 - 1912) --> scissors with rotation
- Western Roll (1912 - 1930) --> early straddle technique
- Straddle (1930 - 1960) --> basic straddle technique
- Dive Straddle (1960 - 1978) --> advanced straddle technique
- Fosburry Flop (1968 - current) --> the currently most common technique used
Although there are still some jumpers using the Straddle technique, it's safe to say that this technique has become extinct. Therefore, it's possible to give a 'from - to date' to the technique. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 19:11, 22 December 2013 (UTC)
Record attempt after a win?
- Speaking as a Master official, yes. A competitor is still in the competition until they reach three failures in a row. There is nothing special except that after there are no other competitors, the jumper can choose the height(s) they wish to make attempts at. Often when records are involved, they will choose a height that will allow them to tie or beat a record. It is extremely rare when two or more competitors are still in competition when they are jumping at record heights. I don't see anything missing in the article about this. Trackinfo (talk) 08:40, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks; it is just that what you explain above is left completely implicit, if not unspecified, in the article (while tie-breaking is explained twice, once under Rules and once under Declaring the winner); I think it would be nice to add an explicit sentence or two about record attempts.—126.96.36.199 (talk) 01:19, 22 November 2014 (UTC)