Talk:Higurashi When They Cry

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Should it be stated?[edit]

That Meakashi-hen is in a different world from Watangashi-hen? 98.14.15.12 (talk) 03:06, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Rei OVA[edit]

(I can't believe I'm doing this) As it stands, there is no mention anywhere that Higurashi Rei actually aired on television in Japan. The OVAs official website has no mention of a TV broadcast, though there was a limited web broadcast of the first OVA which was a restricted viewing for 800 people (400 computers, 400 cell phones) as evidenced here. The user PrincessMint has attempted to claim Rei aired on TV, but gives no evidence to prove it, and chooses to ignore the evidence brought in favor of this not being true. The user has attempted to use a YouTube video [1] for evidence of a TV broadcast, but the icon visible in the bottom-right hand corner, "BC", stands for Bandai Channel, the web channel Rei was previewed on.-- 05:15, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

The show aired on Japanese Pay Per View television. This is on the official site.PrincessMint (talk) 06:42, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Please provide a link to source. —29th ((☎)) 06:44, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
You can't link directly to the news entry. Just go to the News section of the official site and search for PPV. That should work.PrincessMint (talk) 07:08, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, you can deep link to the news entry. If this is what you're talking about (the third article), then you're wrong anyway. The one airing in Sky PerfecTV is the first season, not Higurashi Rei.

TVアニメ第1期「ひぐらしのなく頃に」がスカパーPPV(ペイパービュー)『スカチャン』にて、期間限定で放送決定!

Could be roughly translated to "The first season of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni decided to be aired in SkyperPPV (Pay Per View) "Skachan" for a limited period!" —29th ((☎)) 08:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
If it wasn't aired on TV then I really wonder where those animesuki fansubs are coming from, lol. Tyciol (talk) 06:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Read the discussion. Erigu (talk) 21:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Air Date[edit]

Not sure if I'm missing something or what, but under extra arcs, it says that Rei aired on December 31, 2006, and that obviously can't be right, can it? 68.191.160.109 (talk) 19:34, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

That would be the release date of the original game, not the anime adaptation.-- 20:34, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Organization of the plot section[edit]

Continuing the discussion from Talk:Higurashi no Naku Koro ni/GA1: shouldn't the PS2 arcs be listed under adaptations? Shouldn't the games made by the Alchemist and Twilight Frontier be listed under Adaptations? AngelFire3423 (talk) 10:26, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Currently, the Alchemist port, and Higurashi Daybreak are listed under the Release history section. I don't think Daybreak has enough information to deserve a new section in Adaptations, and the PS2 and DS ports should stay in release history. Like I stated in the GAR, the base organization of this series was always in its arcs, from the very first game. Keeping all the arcs in one section makes the most sense to me, whereas the info in Adaptations or Release history shouldn't go into plot information; it should just cover the media released.-- 10:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Hmm, then how about splitting off the list of arcs to another article and leaving just the ones featured in the games by 07th Expansion? Like doing something similar to anime episode lists, but with games, or something like that. AngelFire3423 (talk) 20:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
First off, there's not enough information to split, and second, I don't see how that would work even if there was enough info. Besides, plot info shouldn't be split off as Wikipedia is not a plot summary. Also, we should try to keep all the info in the same place if we can; doing unnecessary or superfluous splits would just serve to complicate things even more. I can see what you're getting at though, and if there was a better way I would want to do it, but this seems like the simplest and least-confusing way to organize it.-- 21:19, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, I meant more like splitting it off their list articles: List of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni titles, List Higurashi When They Cry chapters, and List of Higurashi no Naku Koro ni episodes. But I'll try to think of a better idea. Though I think it might be clearer if the manga and anime arcs were put in their respective sections under Adaptations, though I can see some problems doing it that way. AngelFire3423 (talk) 04:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

English Title[edit]

I know the visual novel isn't released in English (I don't know about the manga), but the anime is and it is likely that the average English-speaking person will know the anime's English title. Since it's not the original work, I do not know if WP:NAME applies, but I believe it may.Jinnai 16:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

This has been discussed many times before; a quick look at the archives will show you some past discussions. Basically, no consensus could be reached since the visual novel is the primary work, and while the anime and manga both have official English titles, they're only a minor aspect of the overall series, not to mention they're adaptations to boot. But all of that really shouldn't apply anymore since the games are being released in English in a few months under the original title, or have you not read the article?-- 18:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure that wouldn't violate WP:NAME though either way. I hadn't read the article completely. I got a preview of the box set to review. That's how I came across the name discrepancy.Jinnai 04:57, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
The thing is (and as I said, this has been discussed ad nauseum in the archives) the argument that the anime title is more recognizable is pretty shallow, especially considering that only the first of the three seasons were ever licensed and released in English, and production was halted halfway through too boot when Geneon tanked (though Funimation has since taken it up, but still). Now that the original VNs are being released in English, this is a moot argument.-- 07:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I'd still disagree, but seeing as the visual novel is being released and it's title has been confirmed, it should be moved to Higurashi: When They Cry as it is not that far from release date. Other games like Dragon Quest VI: Realms of Reverie move before as as well.Jinnai 07:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
First of all, there's only a small news update about the license on MangaGamer's site which uses that title, and I'd like to see if that title stays when the product has actually been released, and second, I could even invoke WP:COMMONNAME myself here, arguing that the original "Higurashi no Naku Koro ni" name is far more widely known than a possible localization title of the primary media. And even though I generally dislike using it, a Google test reveals the original title gets many more hits than Higurashi: When They Cry.-- 07:34, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I doubt it will change. It doesn't sound like a working title. The google hit is relatively the same. The difference of a few ten-thousand when both are over 1million. As for well known, looking at the independent English RSes, I see the title "Higurashi: When They Cry" pop up a lot. While the use of "Higurashi no Naku Koro ni" for some of the merchandise, it's much less common. Mostly forum posts and the like use the title which often continues even after the English release. That an English adaptation of it is coming out and that manga and anime adaptations use the English (the anime just uses the subtitle though), there is a lot of difference now then when that argument was made last time. Circumstances have changed dramatically. The anime has been finished and has a release date and the original work also has been licensed with a tenative release date and a title that matches the graphic novel. Finally visual novels aren't as well known in the west and even if the VN wasn't being translated it would likely also be most recognized by an average Wikipedia reader by either the anime and manga translated titles.Jinnai 16:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't care if the title sounds like it'll change or not. I will not agree with moving this article to another name unless I get definitive proof they're using that title for the release.-- 02:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Part 2[edit]

Okay, going on my last comment, it is now confirmed that MangaGamer are indeed using Higurashi When They Cry, the same title as the manga. I would be okay with moving it to the new name.-- 07:38, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Seems fine to me. We just keep the DVD episodes title as different (though probably add a redirect with the laternate names foe each),Jinnai 04:38, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
If you're referring to the Rei OVAs, the same would apply to the Kai anime since it too hasn't been licensed.-- 08:08, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Requesting move to Higurashi When They Cry.Jinnai 19:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Higurashi opera[edit]

"Unofficial Higurashi “Doujin Opera” in Japan on March 13th". Quite interesting, I thought, although I don't know if 'Nerima Bunkan' is ja:練馬文化センター or not. --Gwern (contribs) 17:42 2 March 2010 (GMT)

To update, the opera was in fact performed. A long review/description: http://www.tsurupeta.info/content/higurashi-douijn-opera (Note that apparently a DVD release was planned.) One scene was on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypAimcbxuyA The official homepage seems to be http://higurashiopera.web.fc2.com/ --Gwern (contribs) 02:19 3 September 2011 (GMT)

Newtype USA reference[edit]

I hope this reference is useful. "Higurashi no Naku koro ni". Newtype USA. 6 (12) p. 12. December 2007. ISSN 1541-4817. I don't have time now to how it can be best used. – allennames 05:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Not done. This reference could best be used here but that subsection is already well referenced. – allennames 17:24, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Reviews[edit]

vol. 6 Mania.com video game Mania.com Otaku USA midnight arc #1 Ketherine Dacey midnight arc #1 CBB Manga vol. 11 --KrebMarkt 18:50, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

The references are in {{Refideas}} above. – Allen4names 03:22, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

--KrebMarkt (talk) 20:10, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

--Gabriel Yuji (talk) 23:28, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Best Seller[edit]

--Gabriel Yuji (talk) 23:28, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

iPhone Adaptation[edit]

Don't know if anybody knew this, but since April 29 from this year there's a Higurashi adaptation on the iPhone, so I thought it should be added in the "Platforms" subsection.

References here: http://iphone-product.matrix.jp/higurashi/index.html (in japanese) http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/higurashi-when-they-cry-jp/id366267383?mt=8 (from the app store itself)

201.214.50.26 (talk) 23:36, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Hinamizawa Syndrome[edit]

I've repeatedly tried to add discussion of this very important factor of the series. It keeps being removed despite my best efforts to properly present and cite the information I provide. Before it becomes an edit war, let us discuss the reason why this information is or is not useful to the article. I advocate this information is as relevant to the story's plot as the character descriptions and episode summaries. This information pulls together the entire plot, which is quite confusing. The reason cited for removal of this content is No Original Content Wikipedia:NOR. I point out that this information obviously is not original content. Majicko (talk) 17:10, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I admit that citing WP:NOR originally was merely because it was unsourced, and I concede that it could be cited per the primary material of the games/anime/manga, etc. However, based on the extraneous information that goes into describing the syndrome, and the fact that it was given its own section, I don't think this was the right way to go about it per guidelines given at WP:WAF and WP:PLOTSUM. However, if it were condensed and reinserted into the story overview, or perhaps divided among the arcs, I think it would be okay.-- 01:46, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea[edit]

Basically, I came here to get a better understanding of the overall series and plot after watching one of the movies. I have no idea, I'm actually more confused now than I ever was.

I get that it was a series of visual novels, and that they are divided up, and that there are multiple spinoffs. The movie section is brief to be gentle, and the actual plot is jumbled. I have Less of an understanding of the things than before I came here. 69.204.74.28 (talk) 07:37, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I suggest watching the anime, in order. You won't understand the plot until the end, but you'll enjoy it a lot more that way. 91.105.50.249 (talk) 00:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

condensing the story arcs[edit]

So I realize that the series is somewhat unusual (though not unique) with its question and answer arcs and some arcs being unique to certain media, but I'm not sure if they all need to have something mentioned about them. In addition, I believe there some ways to tighten the prose by putting more info in the lead paragraphs while removing stuff like "slight variation" - it should be mentioned early on in the plot that each arc will have some things that are similar and only those that radically depart given more description.Jinnai 04:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

OR tag[edit]

When doing some copyediting I noticed there is a lot of claims in the arc section like "seems to be", "is similar to", "is a retelling of" and comparing to another arc. While this is probably true, it does constitute original research and opinion. If you can't find info from the creators or another reliable source, it would be best to just rephrase those arcs.Jinnai 19:48, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Red Na[edit]

Since it says that is red in the actual title, then shouldn't all instances of the title (in Japanese) on the page be formatted like this? (Also maybe the C in Cry, but definitely don't need to do this to the title of the page.) 209.6.120.254 (talk) 19:58, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

An oddity[edit]

Since Hinamizawa is a small town of about two thousand people, with only a single school, there are not many children around his own age

Actually, from what I know of demographics, in a town of about 2000 people you'd expect roughly 200 to be school-age children. The anime does state that there is only one school and only 15 pupils, but this is a discrepancy that's never really explained. 91.105.50.249 (talk) 01:02, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

I think you are making assumptions about the demographic pyramid of that rural town and also assuming no net migration, neither of which is true in rural Japanese villages. --Gwern (contribs) 02:18 3 September 2011 (GMT)

Spoilers[edit]

I know that wikipedia has spoilers, but I don't think there should say how end every arc, should it? --190.160.208.234 (talk) 02:17, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Original Research?[edit]

How exactly can there be original research when discussing the plots of the different arcs? I understand that tag in, say, an article about the causes of autism, but what sort of research should be sought and cited in the section on the plot of a sound novel? Can the sound novel be cited? Reinana kyuu (talk) 04:35, 9 November 2013 (UTC)