Talk:Hilary of Poitiers

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Doctrinal differences[edit]

There is a problem that needs to be researched here. If Saint Hilary was the "Athanasius of the West," then it does not make sense that he would "join the Homoiousian majority against the Arianizing party" at Seleucia. The Arians WERE the homoiousian party. This needs to be researched. I will look into it as well. Peace, Pseudomacarius 15:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Homoiousia, according to our article (and the OED), is a kind of a semi-Arian position. Perhaps here we have a typo for Homoousia? —Ian Spackman 07:20, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
See Council of Seleucia. The council was bitterly divided between the Homoiousian and Homoian parties, among others. However, it's ridiculous to suggest that Homoianism was "more Arian" than Homoiousianism. Jacob Haller 09:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Consider that Hilary of Poitiers is known as "The Hammer of the Aryans" as well as a "Doctor of The Church" clearly indicates that Hilary doctored, or helped heal the Church, when certain arians held some sway in the Church. Enough "sway" at the time to have Hilary ex-communicated. The ex-communication was later "reversed." Obviously, Hilary was anti-Aryan.Deerlight (talk) 08:26, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

St. Hilary[edit]

Hello, Please correct myself, Where was he originally from, was He the Patron St. of the Snake ? I know He was a tall man and skinny person.We don,t know him before t'was accidental of having him in our lives;I believe from 2005 up to the present.76.11.61.243 (talk) 18:49, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

More work needed[edit]

I'm not a theologian, but tried copyediting this somewhat nonetheless. I hope someone with knowledge of Hilary's writings can whip this article into shape, and that I caught all the times I inadvertently used 2 Ls in his name, per American usage.Jweaver28 (talk) 00:40, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Some background info on Saint Hilary of Poitiers[edit]

This info is off the top of my head and unsourced, therefore I have added it to the talk page rather than the actual article. I am told hard-line wikipedians will not approve, but as this is the talk page of an article in its infancy, hopefully it can be left here to give some perspective. At the time Hilary lived, the Church hierarchy was very, very political in nature. The head of the Church was (during those early times) the Emperor of Rome. As politicians/Emperors were/are not always the best of students; and had/have, generally, far too many advisors with their own bone to pick, it is not too much of a stretch in thought to understand that an Emperor may not have the best interest of the Church as his goal. Hilary saw one of the main problems of his times to be the Aryan issue. Simply stated, Aryans were misinterpreting Hebrew and Ancient Greek Christian writings. Both Hebrew and Ancient Greek were very evolved and complex Languages. Most everybody in the Church at the time only spoke and wrote and talked Latin. Latin is a fairly simple language that lacks precision of modern English or Ancient Greek. Some call Latin a "merchant" language, meaning most anyone inclined can learn it to do business with people of different lands, and is not a language that lends itself well to deep complex ideas. One example I can give is found in the 10 Commandments. "Thou shall not kill" is the standard Latin translation. Actually, in the Hebrew and Ancient Greek it is "thou shall not commit murder." Think about it, quite a difference, really. The Aryans (this is spelled a number of different ways) basically believed that the Holy Trinity, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, all as one (as we think of it today) was a farce, and that God was God and Jesus was just a man--though son of God, nonetheless lesser. The Emperor of Hilary's time apparently had been convinced of the inferiority of Christ, and was for all intents and purposes an Aryan in charge of the Christian faith. Hilary tried to educate the Emperor, and when it became obvious the Emperor truly believed in Christ's lesser status, Hilary went about writing a condemnation of the Emperor on this basis. It got him exiled into the lands now called Turkey, Greece, etc. At the time it was generally thought by theologians that what we now call the Eastern Orthodox Christian Church of that region was Aryan in their belief's. Hilary himself thought, at first, that "Eastern" Christians were ignorant Aryans. As he learned their language and became fluent in Ancient Greek, Hilary found that it was not the Eastern Christians with a problem, rather the very same Western (Latin) Church he came from. Latin translations of Greek writings at the time did not capture the nuances Eastern thought. Hilary ultimately found the Eastern Christians were actually in complete agreement with him on the Aryan issue. They agreed the Aryans were wrong. This came as somewhat of a revelation to Hilary, as the Eastern Church evolved in its own manner, somewhat separate from the Western (Roman) Church. This newly discovered fact against Arianism lit a fire under Hilary, and inspired him to write all about it. It also inspired Hilary to risk death by returning West to tell of what he had learned of the Eastern Church. It is all about Emperors, poor Latin translations and Aryanism.Bugsthedog (talk) 00:31, 26 July 2014 (UTC)