Talk:Hippolytus (play)

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Citations[edit]

Does the mention of the possibility of statues of Artemis and Aphrodite on stage really need a citation? It is mentioned a number of times in the stage directions, at least, in my translation.

New Translation[edit]

I looked up this article after seeing "Hippolytos" last night at the inauguration of the outdoor amphiteather in the renovated Getty Villa in Malibu. The article was very helpful and informative but I have several comments:

1. The play was based on a new translation by Anne Carson published in the book Grief Lessons: Four Plays by Euripides, August 2006, ISBN: 1590171802, available from Barnes & Noble. This should be added to the article.

2. I was not able to find anywhere a citation referring to Hippolytus Veiled. For mythology, I checked the classic, Robert Graves "The Greek Myths", Penguin Books, p.357, and didn't see anything materially different from the later version of the play. However, Graves mentions Adoni's death but lacks any reference to a primary source; this is curious because he quotes those sources (Apollodorus, Plutarch, Ovid, Virgil) exhaustively in the rest of the chapter. So it seems that the reference to Adonis should be dropped.

3. Regarding the statement in the article "The surviving play offers a much more even-handed and psychologically complex treatment of the characters than the traditional retellings of the myth.[citation needed]" Ditto. It also seems self evident that a play offer a more complex psychological treatment than a myth. Perhaps the whole second paragraph should be changed to

"...In Euripides's own time, the play was known as Hippolytos Stephanephoros (Hippolytus Bearer of the Garland), to distinguish it from his earlier tragedy on the same subject, Hippolytos Kalyptomenos (Hippolytus Veiled, now lost. The surviving play offers an even-handed and psychologically complex treatment of the characters than is commonly found in the traditional retellings of myths."

4. Getty performance was titled " Hippolytos" after the original Greek instead of the more common "Hippolytus". Both spellings should be stated in the title.

I would be glad to make these changes myself if there is agreement.

Neven Karlovac 03:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)Neven Karlovac


Everything sounds good to me, except I'd say stick with "Hippolytus" as the title since as you say it is the more common form in English. But a mention of the alt spelling might be good. Such as:
* Hippolytus (also known as Hippolytos) is an Ancient Greek tragedy by Euripides...    
- Ravenous 04:51, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I've made the changes. Another question: is a citation really required for the third paragraph? To me the play says directly as much, and the paragraph is simply a summary of what is described in the synopsis.

Neven Karlovac 00:27, 10 September 2006 (UTC) Neven Karlovac

Not sure. The comment about them representing chastity and passion probably wouldn't need one in this case, since it's obvious in the story. This part: "possibly represented onstage throughout the action in the form of statues" - that could probably use one. -Ravenous 08:13, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Killing Adonis?[edit]

In the synopsis it states that Artemis "plans to take revenge on Aphrodite by killing Adonis, one of her favorites, sometime soon." I recently read the play and can find no specific mention of Adonis himself. Perhaps this should be changed. Does anyone else know for sure? The version I read could well be inaccurate. SIGURD42 15:54, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I did a quick "find" in the browser on the versions up on the web for "Adonis" and it didn't find any matches in the text. So maybe you are right... - Ravenous 16:15, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I've looked through the text and the synopsis seemed to be majorly inaccurate. I have a feeling it may have been copied from somewhere else. I have adjusted it. The current versions is more accurate but the English might not be perfect so feel free to edit it. SIGURD42 14:57, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
There's nothing in the play about Adonis, or even about killing anyone specific. In her last speech Artemis says: "I shall punish anyone she [Aphrodite] loves / with my own hand, with these inevitable arrows" (1525-6). Several other points in the plot summary seem like they were written by someone who hasn't read the play, or didn't bother to check the text... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.165.201 (talk) 21:03, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Dutch Link?[edit]

The link to the dutch site probably isn't much help to the majority of visitors to this page. In the absence of available links to English sources, I wouldn't see a problem with linking to a non-english site. But there are plenty of quality sources discussing this play that are in English...

Are there any "official" guidelines to this?

WikiProject Theatre Assessment[edit]

class = Start - "Characterization" heading is basically a stub for "Analysis" with no references. Other citations needed as well. importance = Low - an individual play constitutes "a highly specific area of knowledge" --Dereksmootz (talk) 19:01, 6 May 2008 (UTC)