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Jaya and Vijaya[edit]

The third avatara of Jaya and Vijaya is Shishupala and Dantavakra and not Kamsa. Comments?

Hari 07:58, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

You are quite right - I have changed it from Kamsa to Dantavakra. Ys, Gouranga(UK) 08:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Redirect Jaya-Vijaya[edit]

The article Jaya-Vijaya (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) largely duplicates the superior text at Hiranyakashipu (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). I propose that the text of Jaya-Vijaya be blanked and the article turned into a redirect to this article. // ⌘macwhiz (talk) 04:09, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Oppose Jaya-Vijaya are different entities in Hindu mythology. Hiranyakashipu and Hiranyaksha is just one of the births of Jaya-Vijaya on the earth. There are others. See Jaya-Vijaya for details. Also, Jaya-Vijaya are traditionally portrayed as door-keepers in Vishnu temples. --Redtigerxyz Talk 05:26, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
You have every right to oppose the proposal, but one opinion doesn't form consensus. Please honor the process documented at WP:MM, and allow sufficient time for other opinions to be heard. // ⌘macwhiz (talk) 13:11, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Ok. I will wait, but please answer the following questions:

  • Why should Jaya-Vijaya be redirected to Hiranyakashipu, why not Hiranyaksha, Kumbhakarna, Ravana or Shishupala, who are also births of Jaya-Vijaya?
  • How does "Caitanya Caritamrta" and "Door-keepers of Vishnu temples" be relevant (not be WP:UNDUE) in Hiranyakashipu?
  • Mani, Vettam (1975). Puranic Encyclopaedia: A Comprehensive Dictionary With Special Reference to the Epic and Puranic Literature. Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass. ISBN 0842-60822-2.  has two entries for the two articles p. 352 (Jaya-Vijaya) and p. 314 (Hiranyakashipu). Explain.

Notified Hindu notice board. --Redtigerxyz Talk 13:29, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Oppose per Redtigerxyz. If there is some text duplicated, the thing to do is fix those sections. Not merge barely-related articles and cause confusion. Shreevatsa (talk) 13:21, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and fixed it as I saw fit — following ⌘macwhiz's comments about the "superior text" that was here, I have put that text (more or less) in the Jaya-Vijaya article. I no longer see any significant duplication between the articles, nor (as before) any reason to merge them. Shreevatsa (talk) 18:43, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose--per Redtigerxyz's arguments. --TheMandarin (talk) 15:07, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Removed notice of merge as consensus seems to be established and Shreevatsa's contributions have more or less addressed Macwhiz's comments. --Redtigerxyz Talk 17:29, 14 November 2010 (UTC)