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Proposed Jurisdiction of the Pittsburgh region spinoff[edit]

The section with the jurisdiction timeline doesn't flow with the article. It simply appears at the end. I propose that we spin it off to its own, related article, with the following text.

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* '''Main Article''': [[History of Pittsburgh]]


The '''jurisdiction of the Pittsburgh region''' was disputed during [[colonial]] times both internationally, specifically by [[Great Britain]] and [[France]], but also by the British colonies, specifically [[Pennsylvania]] and [[Virginia]].  The international dispute was settled in the [[French and Indian War]].  The colonial dispute was settled by agreement in 1780.


==Jurisdiction Timeline==
*1669 - Claimed for the French Empire by [[René-Robert Cavelier, Sieur de La Salle]]
*1681 - King Charles claims the forks for Pennsylvania with 5 degrees west of the Delaware.
*1694 - [[Arnout Viele]] a dutch trader explores the area.[http://www.bchistory.org/beavercounty/BeaverCountyTopical/Timelines/EarlyBCChronology.html]
*1717 - Settled by English traders, primarily Pennsylvanians some dispute between Virginia and Pennsylvania
*1727 - Joncaire visits with a small French force.
*1748 - Both Pennsylvanian Conrad Weiser visits and the King approves the [[Ohio Company]] for Virginia.
*1749 - Frenchman Louis Blainville deCeleron sails by on the Allegheny and Ohio burying lead plates claiming the area for France.
*1750 - Cumberland County Pennsylvania founded, though its jurisdiction is not governable.
*1753 - [[George Washington]] visits en route to Fort LeBeouf.
*1754 - French Forces occupy the area and construct Fort Duquesne.
*1757 - Jesuit Father Claude Francis Virot founded Catholic Mission at Beaver.
*1758 British Forces regain the area and establish Fort Pitt though some dispute over claims between the colonies of Pennsylvania (Cumberland County) and Virginia (Augusta County).
*1761 - [[Ayr Township, Fulton County, Pennsylvania|Ayr Township]], [[Cumberland County, Pennsylvania]]
*1763 - The [[Province of Quebec (1763–1791)|Proclamation of 1763]] grants Quebec rights to all lands west of the Alleghenies and North of the Ohio River.
*1767 - [[Bedford Township, Bedford County, Pennsylvania|Bedford Township]], Cumberland County, Pennsylvania [http://www.pagenweb.org/~somerset/bedford.htm]
*1770 - [[George Washington]] visits for Virginia. 
*1771, March 9 - [[Bedford County, Pennsylvania]]<ref>[http://www.pagenweb.org/~somerset/bedford.htm Old Bedford County Townships<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>
*1771, April 16 - Pitt Township founded.<ref>http://www.co.greene.pa.us/secured/gc2/history/Struggle-for-Possession.pdf</ref>
*1773, February 26 - part of [[Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania]]
*1778, December 16 -  part of Allegheny County, Pennsylvania
*1792, June -  Petition for a Pittsburgh Township at the forks.
*1792, September 6 - Pittsburgh Township, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania
*1794, April 22 - Pittsburgh borough, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania [http://www.clpgh.org/exhibit/apology3.html]
*1816 (March 18) City of Pittsburgh, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania

==References==
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Any discussion or disagreements? Tomcool -- having troubles reclaiming my login. 99.173.52.91 (talk) 22:48, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Typo?[edit]

Is the misspelling of "extremely" a typo or sic?--Thiseye 00:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Sic. Haven't put in Sic because 17th century spelling is notoriously variable, and I didn't think Sic was necessary. Tomcool 22:34, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

On the Pittsburg page, is:[edit]

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, whose official "federal" spelling of its city name was "Pittsburg" from 1891 to 1911.

Is 1891 accurate? Why is it not repeated in other articles?

Thank You.

[[ hopiakuta | [[ [[%c2%a1]] [[%c2%bf]] [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] -]] 14:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

According to Name of Pittsburgh, 1891 to 1911 is accurate for an official spelling. Spelling of the city's name (and most everything else) in the 18th and 19th centuries was variable. I myself haven't paid the issue much attention. There are those who do, though. If you want to further check into it, you could look up the main contributors to the Name of Pittsburgh article. Tomcool 14:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

"descended the Allegheny"[edit]

what does the text "descended the Allegheny" mean? did they travel downstream until its terminus, or just travel along it? was it I'm not sure if I can make a suggestion for an alternative, which is why I ask here. also "by summer" to me suggests a gradual movement, not a single expedition Pudowski 00:36, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

That expedition got as far as the Venango area, where some spent the winter, and then built Ft. Machault the next summer. The rest returned to Montreal. I'll try to reword it so it's clearer. Tomcool 14:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Assessment[edit]

From my quick skim, there is a lot of helpful information here and it appears to be well-sourced. Therefore, I gave it the highest rating without starting up any nomination processes (B-class). It looks like it is definitely on the way toward Good Article status, though you may wish to draw in more editors to provide a more diverse background of information. It appears that the majority of edits to this article have come from a select few editors. Not that that is necessarily a bad thing, of course. Cheers! --Thisisbossi 04:38, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

GA Rating[edit]

I reviewed and passed History of Pittsburgh for GA Class. This article is very through and has an accurate history of Pittsburgh from its beginnings through the present day with well cited sources. It reads very well and is easy to find information within. Only recommendations I give is to keep it up to date in the present day section as new events occur. NW036 19:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Assessments[edit]

Updated Pittsburgh and Pennsylvania assessments to reflect new GA status. – Paschmitts 19:09, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


GA Sweeps Review: Pass[edit]

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "World History-Americas" articles. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have made minor corrections throughout the article as well. Altogether the article is well-written and is still in great shape after its passing in April. Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. The last section about the current history of the city would benefit with more expansion. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 02:13, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

History article[edit]

Here's an article detailing some of the lesser known events in the city's history. Perhaps some can be incorporated into this article. [1]--TheZachMorrisExperience (talk) 04:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

1936 Flood[edit]

Any thought of incorporating events from the 1936 flood into this article? There is already a Wikipedia article out there, so it shouldn't be too difficult... ClarkBHM (talk) 18:34, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Weak lede[edit]

Wikipedia rules say the opening lede must sumamrize the article, and it now does a poor job. Two sentences on steel, ending in 1911?? Two more sentences to cover the last 100 years?? We need more and better. Rjensen (talk) 00:32, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Lede should not include everythign and the kitchen sink. 72.145.123.43 (talk) 08:20, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
don't worry--the main text has the kitchen sink--for example the importance of the airport. I think lots of people read only the lede, and if so they will learn very little about the city.Rjensen (talk) 08:26, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
Saying "but people won't actually read the rest of the article" is not an excuse for cluttering up the lede. 72.145.123.43 (talk) 18:13, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
If you want to help, list the items you think should be in the lede instead of erasing wholesale the coverage. Rjensen (talk) 21:49, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
What's wrong with the lede as it is? The lede isnt supposed to contain every detail of the history of Pittsburgh, that's what the article is for 72.145.123.43 (talk) 09:18, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Wiki rules say the lede must summarize the article. It does a VERY bad job--and erasing infromation has made it worse. If someone doesn't think transportation is important, they should stay away from Pittsburgh. Rjensen (talk) 10:44, 8 March 2010 (UTC)