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[edit] severe lack of photos and illustrations in the article
if someone could add, please do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.64.4.118 (talk) 00:20, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
[edit] Reliability of claim on biblical historicity
Apologies if this is not the appropriate format in which to make such a claim, but in line with Wikipedia's policy on burden of proof and verifiability, I am removing the section that states that the biblical accounts are inaccurate as they were written after the fact. The given source (Golden, 2004b) makes said statement in passing and provides no backing evidence or research. Given that, it does not appear to meet the criteria of "reliable" or "burden of proof".
If I am mistaken in any way, please let me know, but the given source is weak and only seems to meet the criteria of being published, nothing more.--Ronin2040 (talk) 01:45, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
- I'm missing context here. I'm following the edits a bit distantly. The reference above seems to look okay. It does mention that bible chronology does not match archaeology very well.
- Of course, biblical accounts (history) was written "after the fact." I agree that this, per se, does not make them inaccurate. They tend to be (in Wikipedia-ese) pov, though. I happen to believe that they are "inspired" as a personal belief. But constructing a history from them has sometimes proved "problematical".
- If I followed the reference correctly, it seems to say that a Jewish Samaria (and therefore United Kingdom) existed. Student7 (talk) 02:05, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
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- Whether or not someone believes the history to have been written after the fact or not doesnt seem relevant; it was stated in the article as if it were a point of contention that were being settled by a reliable source, but the source in question does not appear to fit the criteria in any way. If there is a source that backs up such a claim better, it should be used. If it IS supported in the source, the correct page numbers should be used.--98.218.151.42 (talk) 09:15, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
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- I've put it back. The statement is from a reliable source, and therefore reliable. PiCo (talk) 15:41, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
[edit] Reference to two steles deleted
Pico: A line read "except for the Mesha Stele and the Tel Dan Stele" can't show that David, etc. existed. Why did you delete those articles? It seems to me that they tend to refute the idea that the "House of David" never existed. Perhaps not indisputably and forever, but still...Student7 (talk) 00:12, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- The two steles can't prove that David existed, just that the royal dynasty in about 850 had this name. The sections "Iron Age II" and "Babylonian Period" do assume that the royal house of Judah did call itself the House of David - I count three mentions. PiCo (talk) 10:37, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
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- Let's say that 3,000 years from now, a book claims that, under the kingship of Millard Fillmore, the country built skyscrapers and ships to the moon. Later, someone digs up something, several somethings in fact, that indicates that someone named Millard Fillmore actually did run the country or area or tribe, as the case may be. Granted, this proves nothing about skyscrapers and moon ships, but it tends to indicate something IMO. Student7 (talk) 18:22, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
[edit] Josephus
An editor correctly (IMO) deleted the raw use of Josephus. There has to be a rather lengthy discussion or discussions somewhere about Josephus, specifically. I am sure it is covered by a policy statement as well. I would like to suggest including a statement about the use of "raw" Josephus as a "FAQ" in yellow above, and in any other article discussion pages where the issue pops up. The "FAQ" should be short.
For example: "Q. Why can't I used comments/quotes directly from Josephus? A. Josephus is a WP:PRIMARY source which has been analyzed by latter academic historians at length. Josephus often fails a WP:NPOV required by Wikipedia. These analysts have published WP:RS incorporating the observations by Josephus which can be used in their new context by the modern historian." Student7 (talk) 00:10, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
