Talk:History of lacrosse
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Jobs to do
This is my list:
Improve Fort Michilimackinac paragraph Improve final paragraph
- Add images of old-fashioned equipment from here:  or keep current one?
- Those pictures are copyrighted so you can't use those. --Yarnalgo talk to me 03:18, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
- As far as I know Stickball (Native American) is the same things as lacrosse. I'm a bit new to wikipedia (as fas as editing) but I would propose merging the two articles. Bvlax2005 (talk) 16:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
- It looks like Stickball specifically means the traditional Native American version of lacrosse. I would support making Stickball (Native American) redirect to History of lacrosse#Native American origins. I'll look at what content should be moved. Michael 22.214.171.124 (talk) 05:16, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Stickball is still played by many tribes from Oklahoma and the Southeastern US, particularly Mississippi and North Carolina. Lacrosse is derived from a similar game played by Northeastern tribes. They are not the same game and it's sad to see a sport still very much alive today being relegated to a history section of another sport. I would love to see Stickball (Native American) have its own page again. -Uyvsdi (talk) 02:42, 31 January 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi
- Uyvsdi - What are the major differences between Northeastern tribes game of lacrosse and stickball? Thomas Vennum writes extensively about the history of lacrosse, and his writings always combine the variations of the game under the general name lacrosse, including stickball & twostick. Initially, I think including a section about the southern version of stickball makes sense then splitting it off at a later point if warranted. -Mitico (talk) 22:19, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
- Thinking about it a little more, my opinion is that term "lacrosse" be used broadly to describe all Native American "versions" of the game -- with an appropriate discussion of etymology. At that point, I think the "Native American game" section should be divided with ===level 3=== headers into three sections for: Northeastern, Great Lakes & Southeastern versions. As far as a separate article, I can see a split for the game if there is sufficient sources to support it, but it would be important to focus on what differentiates the game, but I think from a historical perspective they are related. Does modern day stickball have a set of written rules, annual tournaments, leagues? Or is it exhibition, only?-Mitico (talk) 13:05, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
jmoore19 - I would like to request that "Stickball (Native American)" have its own page and be separate from the "History of Lacrosse". ::If anything I believe that the "History of Lacrosse" should be redirected to a "Stickball (Native American)" article because stickball ::is the game of Native Americans and Lacrosse is more the modified English version of the traditional game. The article itself actually ::states that the game was renamed after a french missionary had watched a tribe playing in the 1600s.
- I am actually a citizen of the Chickasaw tribe and would like to contribute more information to the subject of Stickball (Native ::American) as it is a game that is still played among different tribes. A few ways I would like to change this article is by adding some ::more up to date information and pictures of actual modern day games, players and equipment.--jmoore19 03:06, 7 September 2013 (UTC) -jmoore19 03:00, 7 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmoore19 (talk • contribs)
I take issue with this:
Lacrosse is the oldest team sport in North America and possibly the world.
According to the History of Hurling, a similar Irish game, it was first mentioned around the 5th Century AD, but its origins are much older (at least 2000 years). Likewise in the early history of football, its mentioned that the Roman game harpastum is believed to have been adapted from a team game known as "επισκυρος" (episkyros) or phaininda from the Greeks.