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Article chronologically is wrong and biased[edit]

The internet starts with HTTP protocol and hypertext markup language. Protocols such as TCP / IP netware, and others were just technology used to develop the WEB and not its primary context. Say that these protocols were the basis for the internet, and they are cited as the Internet itself, is the same thing as saying that the creator of the internet were the fumes of Apache tribe, (no they would not think of distance communication). The HTTP protocol was "the big idea", since the documents could be hyperlinked with each other, creating a network of documents, THAT IS THE TRUE INTERNET. The story should start here, and only mention the technology that helped create the internet. Or change the wiki of automotive for the stone age and stone wheels.

(Tjnevorah (talk) 05:49, 23 September 2013 (UTC))

You are confusing the internet with the world wide web.24.108.28.165 (talk) 23:42, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

However, most people use the word "internet" to mean the world wide web. Perhaps the article should also discuss the relation between the 2 and the crucial role of Berners-Lee. At the moment it does indeed seem biased.Paulhummerman (talk) 17:24, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

There is an existing discussion of this at Internet#Terminology. There are also two other articles that cover the WWW and Berners-Lee's role: World Wide Web and History of the World Wide Web. -Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 03:04, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Edit request for clumsy sentence structure[edit]

Totally nitty, I know, but the phrase "The Internet's takeover over the global communication landscape" in the last paragraph of the intro really grates. Maybe change to "The Internet's takeover of the global communication landscape"?

Drhayes (talk) 14:55, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Done. Thanks. --Stfg (talk) 15:14, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2014[edit]

Her is a citation for "The first ARPANET link was established between the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) and the Stanford Research Institute at 22:30 hours on October 29, 1969." http://gizmodo.com/this-is-the-room-where-the-internet-was-born-1527205592.

Margcphelan (talk) 18:04, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Not done: I can't seem to find this in the source.
Pictogram voting info.svg Note: You should be autoconfirmed and able to edit this page yourself. Anon126 (talk - contribs) 23:01, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Source for Lickliler and Clark (1962)[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet#Three_terminals_and_an_ARPA Fourth row. Proposed citation:

http://doczine.com/bigdata/2/1367101152_1399076c53/046f1309d01.pdf --Erkebrad (talk) 13:19, 18 March 2014 (UTC)


Licklider and Welden Clark published the paper "On-Line Man Computer Communication",[citation needed][edit]

http://doczine.com/bigdata/2/1367101152_1399076c53/046f1309d01.pdf
Can this be considered as a valid source?
Diego bf109 (talk) 18:32, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

My name (Ben Segal) wrongly redirected[edit]

I just noticed that in Section 6.1, CERN, the European Internet, the link to the Pacific and beyond, the reference 36 correctly refers to a paper by me (Ben Segal of CERN) but my name is linked to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Segal which in turn gets redirected to a page of a deceased person named Judah Segal.

How can this be fixed?

Ben

Bsegal (talk) 13:09, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

PS: I have just requested via Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects that this erroneous redirect from Ben_Segal to Judah_Segal be removed so maybe you do not need to do anything.

PPS: Do you recommend that I propose having my own Wikipedia page?

Bsegal (talk) 13:38, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

OK, I have fixed the erroneous redirect which now points to my Wiki User page. Bsegal (talk) 09:35, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2014[edit]

Hyperlink "packet networking" to "Network pack" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_packet) in the second sentence. BrendanDHarris (talk) 03:37, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done 123chess456 (talk) 04:09, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Nuclear War 'Myth'[edit]

I have removed the following:

The widespread urban legend that the Internet was designed to resist a nuclear attack likely arose as a result of Baran's earlier work on packet switching, which did focus on redundancy in the face of a nuclear "holocaust".[1][2]


  1. ^ Baran, Paul (May 27, 1960). Reliable Digital Communications Using Unreliable Network Repeater Nodes (PDF). The RAND Corporation. p. 1. Retrieved July 25, 2012. 
  2. ^ Johna Till Johnson (June 7, 2004). "'Net was born of economic necessity, not fear". Retrieved July 25, 2012. 

It appears to be undeniable that Paul Baran's work with the RAND Corporation played a part in the development of the Internet. The story is not an 'urban legend' but at worst an exaggeration or oversimplification. The Johnson article provides no evidence that the Internet was created from 'economic necessity' and simply plays down Baran's role. This link - [1] - in fact confirms the nuclear war story.--Jack Upland (talk) 10:49, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

What is an internet, and history of the name of the Internet[edit]

I have a bit of a problem with this:

The term "internet" was adopted in the first RFC published on the TCP protocol (RFC 675:[31] Internet Transmission Control Program, December 1974) as an abbreviation of the term internetworking and the two terms were used interchangeably. In general, an internet was any network using TCP/IP. It was around the time when ARPANET was interlinked with NSFNET in the late 1980s, that the term was used as the name of the network, Internet, being the large and global TCP/IP network.[32]

Now, I can't comment on whether internet generally meant "any network using TCP/IP" back in 1974, but I'm skeptical. I can say that it certainly didn't mean that by the 80's. An internet or internetwork was just an interconnected set of networks, as mentioned earlier, regardless of the protocol suite it was running.

Internetworking was common with the DECnet and AppleTalk protocol suites as well as with the TCP/IP protocol suite. Indeed, Apple had a product (a router for the AppleTalk protocol suite) that was called AppleTalk Internet Router - and it didn't do any TCP/IP; it's purpose was to connect several AppleTalk networks together to form an AppleTalk internet.

In the early days, therefore, you had to distinguish which internet you were talking about. What is now simply called the Internet was, back then, often called the connected Internet or the ARPA Internet to disambiguate it. The current Internet wasn't even the only attempt to create a global connected internet - there were attempts to create a connected AppleTalk internet and I think a connected DECnet internet, too, although nither ever really gained a huge amount of traction.

It's going to need some work to rework this but I'm just putting this here in order to gather information and references.

There's a USENET post here quoting Bill Clinton in 1999. Bill Clinton uses both "the Internet" and "the connected Internet" in his address. https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/%22the$20connected$20internet%22/alt.politics/HtYUgQ7Co1A/eKifrR7EZbgJ

This document, describing a multiprotocol router from HP, talks about its capabilities in respect of a "DECnet internetwork" ftp://ftp-boi.external.hp.com/ftp1/pub/networking/software/59628770.pdf

Secondly, Tannenbaum notwithstanding, it's always been, as now, "the Internet", complete with definite article - as now, we never called the network simply "Internet", unadorned (although occasionally clueless journalists did).

There's more work to do to find references and dates. Also I found a reference to Comer's book Internetworking with TCP/IP which looks useful re 'connected Internet'; I have a copy of that textbook on my shelf so will look it up.

Roybadami (talk) 19:26, 23 July 2014 (UTC)


Request to add 25 Years of the Internet Infographic[edit]

Request to add 25 Years of The Internet to External Links section for an interactive and approachable way of looking at the History of the Internet Chrisparallax (talk) 13:52, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

X mark.svg Not done or at least I'm not going to do it. Another editor may feel differently. This article already has too many external links and the timeline presented seems more about the World Wide Web than the Internet. Perhaps this would be better as part of the History of the World Wide Web? Also, scrolling from year to year didn't seem to work very smoothly on my Macbook Pro using Firefox. -Jeff Ogden (W163) (talk) 16:33, 4 August 2014 (UTC)