Talk:History of the Jews in France

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Holocaust figures[edit]

It seems to me that while the intro claims one-third of the Jewish population killed, the section on the Holocaust gives one fourth. Anyone know where the figures come from? (I'll probably be putting up an accuracy dispute tag to draw attention to the talk page.) Deltabeignet 04:38, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

  • I did the more logical thing and checked around; being as The Holocaust gives one-quarter, I changed the lead to that. I also checked a book that references the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, also giving a little under a quarter. Deltabeignet 04:45, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Constantius ?[edit]

The article currently says "The emperor Constantius (321) compelled them to share in the curia ..." But, so far as I know, Constantius Chlorus was dead and Constantius II was not Emperor until 337. Wrong date maybe ? Or should it be Constantine I ? Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:45, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Constantine I makes sense to me

Page Move[edit]

I would like to rename this article as French Jewry. If you disagree please discuss.

My intention is to organise all article on internationally Jewish communities in such a way that they interlink categorical. Presently, someone linking from say this article to 'history of french Jewry' is hopping in between diverse articles, as apposed to understanding world Jewish demographics

Chavatshimshon 19:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

History of the Jews in France → French Jewry {this is a none demographic term Chavatshimshon 19:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)}

Survey[edit]

Add "* Support" or "* Oppose" followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~

  • Oppose. The proposed title implies a single "Jewry", but (for example) the Jews of Alsace are not by any means part of the same historic Jewry as those of Paris. I'm also very bothered that it looks like this move was proposed and then executed with less than 24 hours for comment. We should move this back. - Jmabel | Talk 17:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Décret Crémieux[edit]

In the "Assimilation" chapter of the History of French Jews there is a big mistake. You write that décret Cremieux gave french nationality to all Jews from North Africa. In fact it was only to the Jews of Alageria, an integral part of the franch territory and not to the Jews of Marocco and Tunisia which were only french protectorates. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.56.76.114 (talk) 14:51, 14 March 2007 (UTC).


Since the "assimilation" heading was mentioned; for the sections dealing with French attitudes towards Jews in the latter part of the 19th century, at least SOME mention should be made of Arthur de Gobineau.

there's a nice wiki article on Gobineau already: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_de_Gobineau —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.234.139.47 (talk) 20:43, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

School[edit]

Don't most French schools have mandatory class Saturday mornings? During the Shabbat? How does that go? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 01:38, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


most observant jews go to private jewish schools68.32.127.93 (talk) 06:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)jonah


21st C, today section[edit]

I think this is needed, the article seems to stop dead toewards the end of the 20t C. Teatreez (talk) 16:37, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Infobox[edit]

There are more names listed in the infobox than there are pictures, so it obviously doesn't match up. I have no idea which picture belongs to which name, but it would be good if someone who does know could fix that. Tad Lincoln (talk) 06:00, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

The picture gallery should have some well known french jews[edit]

How about we add Nicholas Zarkozy, Dominique Strauss-Khan, and Bernard Kouchner? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.120.132.56 (talk) 19:50, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Sarkozy and Kouchner are not Jews, as far as I know. Jayjg (talk) 03:05, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

outdated content[edit]

Almost all of the first section of the article is copied unaltered from the 1913 Jewish encyclopedia. Though this is in the public domain, the judgements, and perhaps the emphasis, are antiquated. The first step in correcting this would be to indicartd exactly by quotations what has been copied. The second is remove all value judgments which cannot be substantiated by modern sources--or at least to word them as :"In the view of the 1913 JE, ...." to indicate their probable lack of validity. I have marked a few with tags. The third step, or perhaps the better alternative, would be to rewrite the section from scratch. The material from the JE that is other than purely facutal really belongs in a section "Nineteenth and early twentieth century views". DGG ( talk ) 19:15, 30 July 2011 (UTC)


What are the socioeconomic levels of the French Jews?[edit]

Are Jews in France as educated or wealthy as Jews living in the United States, Canada and other countries? What are the Sephardic Jews from North Africa in this regard? Are they earning more, less or just as much as the average French citizen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.223.37 (talk) 15:52, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Herschel Grynszpan[edit]

Shouldn't there be some mention of Herschel Grynszpan in this page. This is not an area I pretend to know much about, but I came across him when doing other reading. He's included in the History of the Jews in Germany page, but strangely not in this one. IMHO (talk) 19:36, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Seconded. Since Grynszpan was a student in Paris, and since the shooting in Paris was the excuse Nazis used to begin the November Pogrom (Kristallnacht), he should be mentioned here too. --82.102.141.201 (talk) 23:48, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

The Holocaust in France[edit]

I think we should split much of the content of the Holocaust section into a dedicated article, The Holocaust in France (now just a redirect here). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:18, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm working on a translation of the section of the French article which is much better. That can form the basis of the separate article (I agree there's a need)... This whole article needs some serious overhauling anyway, and shouldn't be spread around! Brigade Piron (talk) 17:08, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Now created. Please feel free to expand it - it needs it.Brigade Piron (talk) 18:03, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Americanism in the article[edit]

The article assumes that French Jews are affiliated to currents like US Jews do and so says that if only 10% are members of the Consistoire, the rest are secular. This is nonsense. French Jews have no affiliation system. Members of the Consistoire are just people (and here in fact it is families) that made a free willing donation. Many Jews are religious or traditional and not affiliated to anything. Of course a large number are indeed seculars. 92.153.206.160 (talk) 09:33, 24 April 2014 (UTC)