Talk:History of video game consoles (eighth generation)

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Nvidia - Project Shield[edit]

Graphics processor manufacturer Nvidia has announced Project Shield, an Android-based mobile gaming console complete with a 5-inch, 720p HD screen attached to a console-style controller with dual analog sticks. Nvidia enters the handheld console gaming wars eighth generation with Project Shield.

Commercial Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93L_lo-s5rU&feature=player_embedded

Information - http://blog.games.com/2013/01/07/project-shield-nvidia/
https://developer.nvidia.com/content/getting-started-project-shield
http://www.thegamersdrop.com/2013/03/10/nvidias-project-shield-demonstrates-prowess-with-weekly-videos/
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/02/08/nvidia-shows-off-project-shield-in-new-boxing-video.aspx

Units shipped figure[edit]

Just wanting to generate some discussion on the possibility of removing "Units shipped" and replacing it with "Units sold" in the comparison section. The previous generation, as well as the console's articles have units sold, not shipped. The figure can also be misleading, to those trying to discover the amount of units sold to customers. Thoughts? MrAdaptive343 (talk) 17:39, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Support - The units shipped figure is deceptive to the average reader. We should stick to what has been sold, and not what's in the back of Best Buy. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 23:06, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
And how are we supposed to source that? Nintendo for example only reports shipped units.--Arkhandar (TalkContribs) 00:53, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
Could use both I suppose, and just leave Nintendo's blank (or with a note explaining they only deal in shipped units), but we should make the difference between shipped and sold clear to the reader regardless. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 01:19, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I think we should just use whatever we can find, and label it as such. It's hard enough to find official figures, we don't need to be nitpicking further like this. Sergecross73 msg me 00:57, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

  • I am going to change it to Units sold and make a note of Nintendo and provide references. If anybody wants further discussion, feel free to bring it up here. MrAdaptive343 (talk) 15:44, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
  • You haven't waited very long, and haven't alerted any WikiProjects, started an WP:RFC, or anything like that, so you should probably wait until you get more input before making many changes. Sergecross73 msg me 15:59, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
I had seen a 3 person support without opposition get changed in before. MrAdaptive343 (talk) 16:07, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
I left an invitation to participate in the poll at the talk page of the Wikiproject. MrAdaptive343 (talk) 16:11, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Yes, but the thing is, this is a high traffic page that many other articles connect to, and, as you can see if you look through the talk page and its archives, there's a lot of arguments on how things should be portrayed. As such, you're going to want to get a good consensus for change. Sergecross73 msg me 16:38, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
  • I personally feel that either shipped or sold are acceptable, as long as they are accurately depicted and sourced. The video game industry is already difficult enough to get actual figures on, (compared to the film industry, for example, where budget and sales are typically easily found) so we should use whatever we can get. I don't deny that actual units sold is a better measure of marketshare...but we're not some sort of business website like Market Watch or a business themed wiki or something. We're Wikipedia. We're geared towards general audiences. Sergecross73 msg me 16:38, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Units Sold or Units Shipped poll[edit]

Please feel free to continue discussing, but as the discussion takes place, feel free to participate in this WP:POLL. Feel free to add options. MrAdaptive343 (talk) 03:09, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Option 1: List Units Shipped only[edit]

Option 2: List Units Sold with a note that Nintendo only uses Units Shipped, showing that number[edit]

I feel that Units Sold is a more accurate representation to the Market share of a console. MrAdaptive343 (talk) 03:09, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Option 3: Either, as long as it's labeled as such[edit]

  1. As long as it's official figures from a reliable source, it shouldn't matter. Sergecross73 msg me 03:45, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
  2. After thinking about it some more, I think this option is best, as long as the difference between shipped and sold is explained in the note. For example, as Nintendo only reports shipped units according to Arkhandar, we could write "This figure represents units shipped to retailers, and not units sold to consumers. The number of units sold to consumers is an unknown amount lower than this figure." or something along these lines. So long as the average reader knows the difference, I think this works best. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 16:50, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
  3. Conditionally, for the moment either is acceptable as long as the sourcing is accurate. When the eighth generation comes to a close and the lifespan of each console ends, however, we need to shift to units sold because that will be a more accurate representation. At the moment, though, those numbers are likely to be more inaccurate. Red Phoenix let's talk... 16:53, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
    That is a good point I hadn't thought of. Yes, when the generation wraps up, it does seem like we'd have figures to do "sold" across the board. (Have we been able to do that for 7th gen yet, with that being pretty close to wrapped up?) Sergecross73 msg me 17:10, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
    I'm not sure that'd be the case for the PS3 and 360 just yet, or even the Wii with the "Wii mini" thing going on. As someone who works in retail management myself, I can tell you I still get shipments of Xbox 360s and PS3s to sell, not just Ones, PS4s, and Wii U. Until they're officially discontinued (which I believe Microsoft said they'd support the 360 until mid-2016), we could probably get more accurate estimates than we could earlier in the generation, but not absolute solid numbers until they're out of production and out of retail. Red Phoenix let's talk... 05:24, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
    Yeah, that's what I kind of figured. So, I mean, if 7th gen is still a ways from wrapping up, applying this to 8th gen would be that much farther out... Sergecross73 msg me 15:33, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
  4. It could be useful to show both when available, to illuminate discrepancies in company expectations vs. consumer interest. Tezero (talk) 18:03, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
  5. After the responses, I agree, we should just use whatever we can find, as long as it is official and referenced.MrAdaptive343 (talk) 19:54, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for understanding. If its any consolation, I, and I'm assuming the others, based on various responses, are okay with using Sold over Shipped if both are available. Sergecross73 msg me 20:05, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Xbox One External Hard Drive Support[edit]

Since I can't edit the article, I'm going to leave this here. As of June 3, 2014, the Xbox One can support external hard drives, unlike the PS4. This is the official page explaining what it can support and how to do it on Xbox.com. I hope someone will take care of this. I'm am quite surprised no one changed this in the 3 weeks since that update. Also made a mention on the Xbox One talk page for the same content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.149.52.125 (talk) 07:19, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Taken care of. I need a reference for it but it's been changed. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 12:50, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Forgive my ignorance, but how is the link I provided not enough? The page flat out explains how to set up an external hard drive on the Xbox One, therefore that does say that it does support external drives. So I do fail to see how that isn't enough. However, here's something else from Xbox.com that flat out describes the Xbox One's support for external storage beginning with the June 3, 2014 update. I'm not sure why the first link wasn't enough though.
Because I was shut down on the other talk page, I'm going to dump this here as well.
Here are FIVE articles, one from IGN, two from Kotaku, and two from GameSpot telling about the external hard drive support. Pick whichever one you feel is the most appropriate then since apparently nothing provided is good enough.
IGN
Kotaku 1
Kotaku 2
GameSpot 1
GameSpot 2
The things you get for trying to help... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.149.52.125 (talk) 22:06, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

It has now been over 10 DAYS SINCE I gave references and STILL NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE! This is honestly just pathetic that someone couldn't have done something before now. The article still says No external HDD support (will support external HDD at a later date)" when this is clearly false information since it has been added. This is one of the reasons I will never register for this site and the second is I will never understand every single rule. So I instead decided to leave information that clearly changes the article's content and left it for someone who knows all of the various policies to put it in. 10 DAYS AGO. I have left 5 articles above, maybe I should have dropped a message elsewhere. In fact that is what I'm going to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.149.52.125 (talk) 22:32, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Simmer down, it's not that big of a deal. Where does it say it where it needs to changed exactly? I can do it if you narrow it down some. Sergecross73 msg me
Yes check.svg Done: Next time you want something done quickly, best do it yourself.--Arkhandar (TalkContribs) 13:30, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
He couldn't. Article has semi-protection for the year. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 13:46, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2014[edit]

Xbox one sales are 5 million http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/07/microsoft-xbox-one-sales-double-in-us-following-kinect-unbundling/ Some one updated Sony PS4 and left off the numbers for the xbox one 2001:4898:80E0:EE43:0:0:0:2 (talk) 19:46, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

The 5 million figure represents units shipped to retailers, as the correction at the end of the page says ("Correction, the Xbox *shipped* 5 million to retailers, those aren't sell through numbers. After that announcement they never followed up with numbers sold, which given that you can still find day one editions at retail is a really really bad sign"). Microsoft has not released updated units sold figures, which are 3 million as of December 31, 2013. Trut-h-urts man (TC) 19:53, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Alienware Alpha[edit]

Shouldn't Alienware Alpha be consired to be added to this page because they market it as a console? Racerautov9 (talk) 22:53, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Doesn't appear to be notable on it's own, and does not have an article. The name redirects to Steam Machine, which is already on this page. Since there will be dozens of Steam machines as that platform moves forward, I don't think we need to list them all here unless one is particularly notable on it's own. More like content for a "List of Steam machine" type list article. -- ferret (talk) 01:01, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. Sergecross73 msg me 06:32, 9 November 2014 (UTC)