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Surname's etymology[edit]

As in many names of the Harry Potter series, the surname etymology is a fascinating subtext: Romulus and Remus, first abandoned by, than rebellious against Amulius, killed him and restored the kingdom to their grandfather.

Deciding to found a town of their own, Romulus and Remus chose the place where the she-wolf had nursed them. Romulus began to build walls on the Palatine Hill, but Remus jeered at them because they were so low. Remus leaped over them to prove this, and Romulus in anger killed him. (http://www.iol.ie/~coolmine/typ/romans/romans9.html)

Lupin - Lupin means "Wolf-like". Canis Lupus is the scientific name for a wolf. Appropriately, Lupin is fast friends with Sirius Black, shape-shifter as a dog. --zzzz

...and Sirius is the Dog Star. I groaned aloud when I read those two names! --Jim Regan
Some more details on that sort of thing:
http://www.verbatimmag.com/26_2.pdf
http://www.theninemuses.net/hp/
I think that the etymology behind JKR's names should have an article of its own. --Imran
His name possibly references Monty Python's Flying Circus as well: Professor R.J. Lupin <=> Professor R.J. Gumby. --Caustic Armadillo 16:45, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

March 10?[edit]

What source was quoted for Remus' birthdate??? is this on JKR's website...?


Yes, his birthday and those of other main characters have been revealed on [www.jkrowling.com www.jkrowling.com].
As for Remus's birthyear, I'm arguing for 1959. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Severus_Snape. --Mercury McKinnon 11:15, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Eye color[edit]

Okay, I've been watching this page for a while and there seems to be a lot of back and forth on Lupin's eyes being brown or of unknown color. Enough already! : ) If you think that Lupin's eyes are brown, please cite your source! Don't make me reread all six books just to find out! Thanks, Kam Tonnes 01:58, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

It's fanon. I do a lot of fanfic writing and have scoured for Lupin info, and there's nothing about his eyes. At least brown is better than yellow.

AGE DUDES!!![edit]

don't let us use the calculator just to know his real age, if u guys want us to continue loving your site, cite his age!!!!! jeralyn_jayson@yahoo.com

His age tends to change over the course of the story - it's what normally happens with people's age over time, you see. Citing his age would thus be impossible. Maybe "age at time of death" or "age at time of introduction to the stories" if there has to be an age mentioned, but even that is pretty dodgy. Using a calculator still remains the best option. Dabih 21:17, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Last Line[edit]

I removed the last line, which, regarding Tonks and Remus, said the "most of the fandom has embraced their relationship." Unless the writer took a poll of fandom and concluded that this is, indeed, the case, I'd say that this is pure speculation.

Most likely pure speculation. If you go to FF.N (for an example), you only get 62 pages worth; while, if you sort, Sirius and Remus, you get over 200. Probably best to keep it out, in any case. Disinclination 02:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Death toll[edit]

"...the magical community lives in fear of a massacre like that of twelve years ago, when Black murdered thirteen people with a single curse." That's including Pettigrew. Michaelsanders 15:22, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

The line itself is correct since it says "12 Muggles", but it is incorrect in that is say "he believed that Sirius killed..." because Lupin believed that Sirus had killed 13 people total (despite what we now know). What should we put? John Reaves 15:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
It isn't incorrect. It says, "Lupin believed Sirius Black was guilty of murdering 12 Muggles, betraying Lily and James Potter and murdering Peter Pettigrew." Emotionally, he would have classed the murder of one of their best friends (and the betrayal of James and Lily, which got them killed) as separate to the brutal slaughter of 12 people he hadn't met. Also, the death of Pettigrew was classed differently - he got a hero's reward, and was the supposed main target; the muggles were swept under the rug, and were, either way, 'collateral damage'. Michaelsanders 15:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Okay, I assume the condensed version is "leave it the way it was"? John Reaves 16:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
You presume correctly. Michaelsanders 16:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Parentage[edit]

Is there any concrete evidence on Lupin's parentage? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zain Ebrahim111 (talkcontribs) 17:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC). No, we do not. As far as I know, we don't. Disinclination 18:52, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

According to Blood purity, a half blood is someone whose ancestry contains at least one muggle. Since we don't know about Lupin's ancestry is it not incorrect to call him half-blood? Why not just leave that out and say 'werewolf' under blood? Zain Ebrahim
Parentage should say Uncertain, unless we get some sort of confirmation from Rowling in one of the acknowledged sources (books, movies, her web site, interviews). We know from Fenrir Greyback that "Greyback will often attack the children of people who refuse to cooperate (with him personally, or with the Death Eaters in general), and it was for this reason that he contaminated Remus Lupin", which implies that Lupin's parents were wizards who refused to cooperate with him or the Death Eaters. Half-Blood refers to purity of wizard-ancestry to the grandparents, not inter-species breeding, or perhaps "disease" as might apply to werewolfery. Perhaps "werewolf" belongs on a second line of parentage - or under something like "Species" - which could also be used for mixed-species hybrid characters like Rubeus Hagrid and Filius Flitwick. -- T-dot (talkcontribs) 11:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
Don't delete it straight away - I think I remember seeing a reference (possibly on Redhen) to Rowling having specified Lupin as a half-blood at some point.Michael Sanders 13:28, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
"Siriusstar: Is Remus a pureblood? JK Rowling replies -> Half blood." From here: http://www.accio-quote.org/articles/2004/0304-wbd.htm Neville Longbottom 20:56, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Parents' blood purity[edit]

The article now reads that "Lupin is a half-blood, born, according to the series, to a wizard and a Muggle woman on 10 March 1960."

The blood purity of Remus's parents is, as far as I know, never discussed in the books (even his birthday isn't mentioned, but is known through interviews with JK Rowling; his year of birth can be derived from the Potters' tombstones, but is never actually mentioned, either). The fact that Remus is a half-blood was confirmed per an interview with JK Rowling, but for the rest, they are hardly ever mention and we barely know anything about them, let alone their blood purity.

After much thinking, I suppose somehow one could derive that Remus's father might have been a pureblood - he offended Fenrir Greyback, who might have been working for Voldemort at that time, if Voldemort was already gaining power at that time at all. If Voldemort had wanted business with him, he probably would have been a pureblood, but his father offended Fenrir, not Voldemort, so he might not have been a pureblood at all. If his father was a pureblood, his mother might have been either a muggle or a muggleborn, but both are possible; if his father was a half-blood, there are even four options possible.

All in all, it is possible I might have just missed the mention of their blood purity when reading the books, but unless someone could point me in the right direction of the actual page on which it is said, I think changing might be in order.

Dabih 21:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Succession Boxes[edit]

The sheer amount of succession boxes that get added and removed on this article is overwhelming. Just removed another one now. I've always been told that succession boxes aren't allowed for fictional characters, can someone provide proof for this? I just thought this point needed emphasising, because it is a recurring problem with this article. Lradrama 20:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

WP:WAF Succession boxes are inappropriate for fictional characters. Faithlessthewonderboy 00:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
OK cheers - thought I'd seen it somewhere! Lradrama 15:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Yep. Unfortunately it's sort of a never ending revert battle. Oh well. :P Faithlessthewonderboy 22:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Ah, that's why they're missing now. Somebody made up a rule that claims that there shouldn't be any for fictional characters. What a nonsense! And that's why they seem to keep coming back... most people besides the one wo made up that stupid rule want them anyway. --Krawunsel (talk) 15:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Family Tree[edit]

There is a problem with the Nigellus's family tree, as it shows Nigellus as being Sirius's great-grandfather as opposed to his great-great-grandfather. Which is wrong, the article or the tree?

My mistake, didn't notice the space between grandfather and great-grandfather.

There exists a new version of the tree att http://www.hp-lexicon.org/wizards/blackfamilytree.html with references to sources, therefore the tree needs to be updated.

Phineas Nigellus, or Phineas Nigellus Black?[edit]

[1] [2]

Although Phineas Nigellus is an ancestor of Sirius Black, I have yet to see any signs that he ever used the name Phineas Nigellus Black. Please cite your sources that show his full name as "Phineas Nigellus Black" (or "Phineas Black") by stating the book and the page number or (preferably) the chapter in which this appears. An acceptable alternative would be any official Harry Potter web site as defined under Harry Potter#Official websites. Thank you. --Deathphoenix 17:35, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

With my humblest apologies to both 82.38.67.106 and 65.27.147.246, I have found the citation that his full name is Phineas Nigellus Black, just by flipping open HBP to a random page. His full name is mentioned very early on in Chapter 13 (the second page of Ch. 13, pg 243 in the Canadian edition), where he calls Harry "Impertinent". I will restore the name. --Deathphoenix 04:42, 23 July 2005 (UTC)


I have taken the liberty of transferring all the information from Phineas Nigellus to Phines Nigellus Black, as I believe it is standard for an article to have an individual's full name. I also transferred and changed the Redirect, so that anyone searching for "Phineas Nigellus" will be redirected here, so there should be no resulting confusion at all.

Etymology[edit]

The article says "Nigellus" is also the Latin form of the British name Nigel, itself originally of Latin origin. However, I believe Nigel is the English form of the latin name Nigellus, and Nigellus is the latin form of the celtic name Neil. Name etymology websites support this. Can this line be revised?--NigellusNT 23:44, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Duties of portraits[edit]

In order of the Phoenix/ch.22 st Mungos hospital, phineas' portrait refuses to help Dumbledore. The other wizards in different portraits then gang up on him, one saying he is honour bound to help, another threatening to cast a spell on him. This rather suggests that there is no magical compulsion on portraits to cooperate at all with the headmaster of hogwarts, just that they do so for for the good of the school. Sandpiper 22:39, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Least Popular Headmaster[edit]

Where does it say in the books that Phineas "is considered to be the least popular headmaster Hogwarts has ever had"? I can't recall ever reading that, but of course I could be wrong.

  • Sirius says that to Harry when he's showing him the Black family tree in an early chapter of Order of the Pheonix.Cyclone49 13:11, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Dates, spouse, family[edit]

J.K. Rowling has recently released a partial Black family tree, so I'm adding some extra info based on that. The family tree can be found here: http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/images/image.php?image=2006/01/closeupblackfamtree.jpg

  • I think it's interesting that Phineas died in the same year that Voldemort was born... Almost definitely a coincidence, but a funny one. MultiKoopa 08:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Merging[edit]

Shouldn't this article be merged with the Black family tree? The character's role in the series is really minor, and his article relatively short, including some stuff from other articles. Lord Opeth 03:44, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Middle Name?[edit]

Is Nigellus his middle name? Therequiembellishere 16:46, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes. He's named as Phineas Nigellus Black on pages of both the sixth and seventh books. He's a direct male-line ancestor of Sirius, Bellatrix, etc. Furthermore the Black family tapestry, which doesn't show the surname if it's Black, has him as Phineas Nigellus but his siblings simply as Sirius (who died as a child, a namesake of the modern Sirius) and Elladora. Presumably if Nigellus was his surname they would also have it. -- Noneofyourbusiness 18:21, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Hearing[edit]

I removed the following statement:

He is also capable of hearing across great distances that his magical eye is able to target.

This ability was only demonstrated in the movie and not in the book therefore it is not canon.

Canon isn't really the word to use here. Just say that he's shown to have these powers in the film, but not in the novel. --Tony Sidaway 23:23, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

from Vfd[edit]

On 15 Mar 2005, this article was nominated for deletion. The result was keep. See Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Alastor Moody for a record of the discussion. —Korath (Talk) 00:02, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

house[edit]

has Jo ever mentioned Moody's House (Hogwarts)? -Hoekenheef 16:45, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

no Chili14 20:09, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Move[edit]

Shouldn't this page be moved to "Mad-Eye Moody"? Aren't we supposed to list articles at their better known name? Just my thoughts. --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 15:52, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Should the DADA teacher thing be at the bottom?[edit]

Technically, Dumbledore hired Moody, not Crouch as Moody, to be the teacher, and Crouch just took over Moody's life before the year began.


I agree, technically, Moody was never a teacher... "'I don't know so much about "Professor",' growled the voice, 'never got round to much teaching, did I?...'" - Order of Phoenix. Fleiger 17:02, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Whether or not he taught, he was still the DADA teacher, as he was hired legitimitely. Hagrid's unexplained absence at the start of OOTP doesn't make him not the Creatures teacher during that period. The situations are analogous. Until the appointment of Umbridge, Moody was the DADA teacher. [[User:Scharferimage|Scharferimage}} 18:10 (EST), 29 October 2006

I agree he was technically the person appointed, though he never actually taught.--Dacium 23:18, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
How is he a teacher, if he has never taught a class? Although he needs mention as having been appointed, he never taught.

categories[edit]

Shouldn't this article also be categorized under "fictional police officers" or "fictional soldiers"?

As he is neither a police officer nor a soldier, I'd have to say 'no.' Faithlessthewonderboy 01:50, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Wood Controversy[edit]

After conferring with several others who know more about the subject than I, I am more convinced than ever that Moody is in fact made entirely of wood. It is in keeping with the archetypal representations Rowling uses in her writing, and indeed adds great depth to his character. I think a note to that effect should be included on the page, even if to say it is a debatable issue. ~ LD

    • Actually, this whole "made out of wood" thing is just some joke somebody made up. If he really was made out of wood, it would have been mentioned by Rowling herself. AgentPeppermint 20:34, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Are you certain? I don't know about any of the meaning behind it but thought in the book at least he was wooden. I won't edit back as it seems enough of that is going on but still. *shrugs* The Fraudulent Teabag 15:33, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

    • He is so wooden. All of you who keep reverting stop it! 172.188.27.244 08:26, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

That speculation may well be true - but that does not qualify it as encyclopedic. The Wikipedia policy is that information posted must be verifiable by a reliable source - see WP:V and WP:RS for information. Verifiability trumps supposed "truth" every time - so even if something is "true", if it cannot be checked and verified by other editors, then it cannot be posted. Your "wooden man" theory qualifies as Original Research, and is therefore specifically disallowed - see WP:NOR. The only reliable source in the Harry Potter universe is J. K. Rowling herself - either a quote from one of her books, or from her web site, or from an authenticated (and verifiable) interview, or from the film versions of the books (sometimes with an asterisk* - especially if there is a conflict between the books and the films). Sorry, but your theories MUST be reverted, in order to comply with Wikipedia policies. There is no choice here. By the way I believe that Ms Rowling had Harry look at Moody in GoF and internally "describe" him as "looking like" his face was badly carved from a block of wood - a figurative reference to all the lines and scarring and missing bits and pieces and chunks (eg: from his nose), due to his regular battles with the Death Eaters and other dark wizards and creatures, in his work for the Ministry of Magic as an Auror. --T-dot 09:57, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Spoilers and stuff[edit]

I've undone two edits by a fellow called User:T-dot. Firstly he's removed a pretty important fact about Moody's identity on the grounds that it's a spoiler. Secondly he's restored a spoiler warning to the Goblet of Fire section.

Now the Spoiler guideline is pretty unequivocal in deprecating spoiler warnings. I am however aware that the revelation of Moody's true identity is a bit of a surprise for many readers, and intentionally so.

So there may be an argument for putting a spoiler warning at the very top of the article as is suggested by the guideline. The alternative of removing the spoiler from the opening paragraph is unthinkable because this is the single most important thing about Moody. In a fansite of course we'd have the option of conniving with the reader to conceal such things but this is an encyclopedia. --Tony Sidaway 23:22, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Images[edit]

There are two copyrighted images here that really don't illustrate anything different. Therefore, in order to fall under fair use, I belive that one should be selected for the infobox, and the other should be deleted. Comments? -Phi*n!x 16:45, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Tend to agree. Fair Use rules suggest using "as few as possible" (often interpreted to be none or one) copyrighted images claimed as fair use, such as film screen shot images or posters of characters. In some cases a second image might be useful to illustrate the subject "actively doing something", for example interracting with other characters, or performing some feat. The second image was probably meant to serve that function, but obviously it does not really convey anything important or compelling. It should probably be replaced or deleted. --T-dot ( Talk/contribs ) 17:23, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
I personally think that the picture not in the infobox is better than the one in the infobox. before nominating one for deletion, I'd like a consensus on which should be kept. -Phi*n!x 02:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Why do we have pictures of fake Moody? Whilst one can be used to illustrate the plot of GoF, this article is about moody, not Crouch Jr. We should really have a photo from the end of Gof or OotP, rather than a photo of a different person - Weebiloobil 12:42, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

That's not really important because they are portrayed by the same actor with exactly the same makeup and costuming. The images are there only to illustrate the film portrayal of the character. And I've been away for a while, but I still want to know which image should be deleted here. Both show the same thing from the same movie and are non-free images. -Phi*n!x 00:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

In-universe warning[edit]

I've decided, after a read-through, to get rid of the in-universe warning. If anyone disagrees, then feel feel free to put it back, but I don't really think it is required as there are plenty of "according to these books" style phrases in there. Dan-the-man278 19:03, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Moody's Staff[edit]

In the 5 movie Mad Eye use's his Staff like a Wand like the lord of the Rings why was it in the Books I don't remember .

In the movie, Mad-Eye uses his staff to enter Grimmauld place, however in the book he does not need to. So the staff is used as a walking stick in the book, and a magical staff in the film. Loopywelshemz 21:16, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

The films take more liberties with the placement of wands than the books do. Lucius Malfoy's wand was concealed in his swaggar stick, and from the effects, Moody's was inside is walking stick. Even in books, the remains of Hagrid's wand are inside his pink umbrella. It's all artistic; various characters have a "signature" style as a way of fleshing them out.

Hair Colour and Eye Colour[edit]

What on Earth?! Eye colo(u)r and hair colo(u)r are missing from all HP characters; how, when and why?

Advance Guard[edit]

Isn't Moody part of the Advance Guard?

Yes He was, why? **Ko2007** 17:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

"Poppy", nickname or first name?[edit]

Hello here

I was surprised to see Madam Pomfrey refered to as "Poppy Pomfrey". I can't remember reading "Pomfrey" and "Poppy" together, but always thought the latter to be a nickname. The sounds are related, and I read somewhere about he meaning of "poppy" in English. Same is true for French. What do you thing? Yours, fr:Leafcat —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.21.61.87 (talk) 02:12, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I forget where (I think it was in PoA), but I'm pretty sure that McGonagall calls her Poppy at some point. I don't see any reason to assume that this is a nickname, though perhaps it could be a shortened form of her name (i.e. Jackie for Jacqueline, etc.). Though that's just speculation, unless we're told differently by JKR, Poppy it is. faithless (speak) 02:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Why Moody not Crouch Jr.[edit]

It says in the fourth book that there were no Defense against the Dark Arts classes after the discovery of the fake Moody so the real Moody never actually taught. In the Fifth book Moody says that he never really got a chance to teach when Harry calls him proffesor. So, shouldn't Bartemius Crouch Jr. not Mad-eye Moody. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.57.110 (talk) 23:32, 13 November 2007 (UTC) I was reading the article about the defense against the dark arts classes and it even said Barty Crouch Jr. was the teacher, so even if you leave Moody Crouch Jr. should be added to the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.57.110 (talk) 02:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Umbridge[edit]

Why isn't she part of the Ministry officials page, because you know she was sent to Hogwarts by the Ministry and then received her further appointments because of decrees passed by the Ministry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.57.110 (talk) 23:38, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

She was most prominent in the series during her time at Hogwarts, so this is the best place for her. faithless (speak) 23:55, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

But she was put there by the Ministry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.140.57.110 (talk) 02:34, 14 November 2007 (UTC) And why don't you read the article it says she was installed by the Ministry.

I kinda agree despite her biggest role as a Hogwarts teacher, she is mostly affiliated with the Ministry and was mainly their spy when she was at Hogwarts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.59.237.110 (talk) 02:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I say that she turned Death Eater in Deathly Hallows when Voldemort took over the Ministry. She may have not been working with Voldemort in Order of the Phoenix, but she did now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.228.149.192 (talk) 04:27, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Umbridge was put there by the god danged Ministry so why shouldn't she be with the Ministry. Why would you put her as a Death Eater it never said that she was, she probably just agreed with the new policies.--71.31.87.173 (talk) 22:28, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

My goodness, children, children. Calm down and think about where we saw her. For something around thirty-three chapters she was there as a staff member of Hogwarts. For two chapters did we see her as an actual official of the Ministry. When she took up her post as a professor, her role as undersecretary became defunct. I agree with Faithless, and she will remain on this page. Therequiembellishere (talk) 17:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

So the fact that the Ministry put her there and that she was given power as High Inspector by the Ministry and that every Educational Degree (or whatever they are called) was signed by the Minister of Magic and that she was reporting to the Minister and that she was practicaly in love with the Minister.Oh, and by the way my friend up above me that is a rather definite attitude to be taking, if you're so sure it's going to stay that way why even bother discussing it on a talk page.--UESPArules (talk) 04:37, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Flitwick's section[edit]

The charms master section was ok in the past but now it is really large but it contains overdetailed information (who cares what he was drinking in Rosmerta's pub in Book 3?). I suggest that it should be improved and shortened. Lord Opeth (talk) 18:56, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to faithless (speak) who attended this. The good faith edits were removed, and I also removed some dialogues, so the section reverted to its original size. Lord Opeth (talk) 21:58, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Flitwick's Picture[edit]

That isn't a picture of Flitwick, it is a picture of the conductor. Flitwick has white hair and a beard, while played by the same actor, that isn't the same character. -Ethan c.00

In the later films, while wearing the costume of the conductor, the character played by Davis is Flitwick. There'll be a source floating around somewhere. Try List of Harry Potter films cast members. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 03:45, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

They're the same actor and character. They just decided to change the apperarnce. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.109.105.76 (talk) 21:11, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

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Name Origins[edit]

Does anyone think we should put the origins of character names in here (and other Harry Potter related articles) such as Albus (which means white in latin [dead white according to my latin dictionary], Dumbledore which is I beleive old english and means bee as Rowling immagined him going about hogwarts humming. Severus means severe (L). Remus (along with his brother Romulus) was raised by WOLVES, and lupin is latin for wolf. Dolores comes from the latin for pain. Sirius is the "dog star". Minerva was the Roman goddess of wisdom. Sibyl is a greek or Roman prophet...of course before putting any of these you should check their validity, some are things that Rowling herself has said, others are just my suspicions--Gotskills22 (talk) 03:35, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

The things that Rowling has said herself, yes. For instance, Dumbledore's article does note the bumblebee thing, since it came from JKR. Anything unreferenced, however, is original research. Yes, Albus means "white" in Latin, but are we sure that that is where the inspiration for the name came from? faithless (speak) 05:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Flitwick image[edit]

I do not believe that the dark haired man pictured is flitwick, warwick davis (who plays Filius Flitwick) is much older. Source images on imdb.com i'm not sure who he is, he is in the films but I have not found anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.230.184.148 (talkcontribs)

Please put all new discussions at the bottom of the page, for chronological reasons. And, yes, that is Flitwick. However the character was remodelled by the guy that made the fourth movie (name eludes me) as he preferred the character portrayed by Davis in PoA (credited as "Wizard") to the character in PS and CoS with the beard and the hair. So, yes, it is Flitwick (there'll be an interview or two floating around if you want to look for them to find out for yourself) -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 21:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Archive[edit]

Can someone who knows how to archive please do so shortly; this discussion page has gotten quite long and old (some from 2005). -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 21:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Done. :) faithless (speak) 22:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Mcgonigal?[edit]

what about professor mcgonigal? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.127.198 (talk) 02:40, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Minerva McGonagall has her own article. faithless (speak) 04:24, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
I just want to say to anybody reading this that Minerva McGonagall has now been merged with the article discussed here.--UESPArules (talk) 04:29, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

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Fair use rationale for Image:Gleesonmoodyclassroom.jpg[edit]

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Remus Lupin: own page?[edit]

Shouldn't Remus Lupin get his own page? He is an important character, and he hasn't been a Hogwarts teacher for a very long time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.193.226.118 (talk) 12:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, anonymous user. I understand your concerns, Lupin used to have a separate article, but it has been merged here, mainly because of this Wikipedia guideline. Hope this helps. PeaceNT (talk) 19:32, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, thanks! Sorry for not logging in, I'm going to register soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.193.250.79 (talk) 11:47, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Professor Vector[edit]

Professor Vector was removed from the staff list. I think she should be returned. She is a tenured teacher at Hogwarts. Two lines hardly makes a difference, it's not as if her influence has been overstated.AleXd (talk) 14:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree, though I don't feel particularly strongly about it. faithless (speak) 17:59, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
I added her but only with information about her, not about the subject or Hermione's views on it. --Lord Opeth (talk) 17:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Thoughts on Lupin and Mad-Eye[edit]

Should Lupin and Mad-Eye be listed here or under Order of the Phoenix (organisation)? In the end, Mad-Eye never taught, and Lupin remained for long in the series not as a teacher, but as a member of the Order. --Lord Opeth (talk) 17:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I merged McGonagall to this article as suggested by the Notability guideline. She failed to meet Notability outside the HP universe. Also, some other important characters like Umbridge, Bellatrix, the Weasley twins, Lupin, etc. are already merged. I moved Lupin and Mad-Eye to the OotP article so that this one does not get really long, and to improve the other. Both articles (Hogwarts staff and OotP) are now strong with this. --Lord Opeth (talk) 17:44, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Parentage of Argus Filch[edit]

In the section about his parentage it says "Squib" but while he is a squib that doesn't need to mean that his parents were, too! Squib isn't a matter of parentage but of disposition.--Krawunsel (talk) 15:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

That's true. J. K. Rowling has said that "pure-blood" families in the Wizarding world merely excluded squibs and blood traitors from their family trees. Because of this, it can be assumed that at least one of Filch's parents was a wizard, since a non-magical person would be considered a Muggle unless he was expected to me magical due to his parentage. However, unless something important is revealed by the author about this character, I see no reason to include information about his parents. AshleyScripter {talkback} 18:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
But it still says "squib" in his parentage section. We'll need to find some other way to include that Filch is a squib. "Parentage" is misleading here, as you have stated too. --Krawunsel (talk) 21:15, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Quirrel[edit]

So is his name Slatero, or that Quirinus? I'm confused now. >_< —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.24.54.156 (talk) 22:11, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

His name's Quirinus Quirrel Fionnlaoch (talk) 17:25, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Pictures of the Staff Members[edit]

I've put up pictures of all the staff, but apparently they are not wanted, I just wish I could see some REAL explanation.

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Yeah, it's true that the pictures can be found on teh net, but the damn template has the strucure to add a picture, so why not use it?

The image illustrating the subjects DO qualify as fair use, and they are not in excess.

If you're going to remove the pictures, remove ALL of them.

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If someone can REALLY answer this question, I'd appreciate...

-- PJonDevelopment (talk) 02:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:FAIR#Non-free image use in list articles. I'm not saying I agree with it, but that's why. faithless (speak) 08:51, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Galatea Merrythought[edit]

Shouldn't there be something on this page about Galatea Merrythought? Merrythought was the DADA teacher when Voldemort was in school- shouldn't he/she be on the page? Also, does anyone know Merrythought's gender? Merrythought is mentioned in Slughorn's Horcrux memory in the HBP and by Dumbledore a bit later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.18.213.142 (talk) 18:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Galatea is a feminine name, but Opeth has a policy of more than one appearance/mention to be on here. Therequiembellishere (talk) 18:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Redirection[edit]

When you type in 'Remus Lupin' it takes you to this page, but then it simple tells you to go to the OotP members page. Shouldn't his name automatically redirect there? Coming to this page is rather useless when he isn't even really part of the article. 24.192.219.69 (talk) 10:33, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Remus Lupin actually redirects to Order of the Phoenix. Try by clicking the link.--Lord Opeth (talk) 17:09, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
It's fixed now, but just a day ago when I typed his name in it took me to this page. Oh well, it's obviously been fixed now.24.192.219.69 (talk) 08:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Slug Club[edit]

Is the Slug Club's entry really needed at all? I think that a brief explanation of what is the Slug Club within Slughorn's main entry itself is more than enough, as the Slug Club is just as ridiculous as other HP stuff that has been deleted (Inquisitorial Squad, the Quidditch Teams, etc.) Thoughts? --LøЯd ۞pεth 22:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

missing teachers![edit]

where are the paragraphs on headmaster dippet, peeves, professor kettleburn, and firenze? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.170.44.135 (talk) 21:09, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

THERES NO SNAPE OR DUMBLEDORE!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.72.64.146 (talk) 20:45, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Do not type in all caps, it is quite rude. Those characters have their own articles, which you would have known had you looked for them. faithless (speak) 01:21, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Should Minerva McGonagall have her own article?[edit]

I think that she should have her own article because she is a huge and important character in the series. We have tons of info on her so that could make a great article.

No, she isn't a major character at all. She isn't notable enough to warrant her own article. Ccrashh (talk) 15:06, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

She might not be the biggest or most notable character, but now we are getting into the more secondary characters for articles. I personally think that either Neville Longbottom, Luna Lovegood, Remus Lupin, or Lucius Malfoy should have their own article.--Debbie rocks (talk) 18:49, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

She was very important, as she becomes the headmistress after dumbledore's death Jess4less (talk) 16:03, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Lead section[edit]

Having read the lead section, I feel that it is unnecessary to explain which characters have an independant article. It seems more encyclopedic to include sections containing a summarisation and a link to the main article of the subject, thus using the Main article tag. SpideyFan09 15:25, November 01, 2009 (UTC)

First names[edit]

Shouldn't characters' first names have citations as to the place? Some are obvious, but Madam Pince as far as I know is only at the beginning of Quiddich Through the Ages, and I don't know where Quirrel's is found. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.179.70.27 (talk) 00:57, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

What about Headmasters?[edit]

There is inconsistency in describing headmasters offices and headmasters themselves, for example, in Snapes´ article is missing table with Snapes´ function as teacher and headmaster, as well as name of succeeding headmaster (McGonagall and other ?unknown?). Same could be said about Minerva McGonagall article. Also there is one question if headmasters did teached any classes? In most schools they usually do. [User:Robin_WH|Robin_WH]] (talk) 03:24, 11 October 2010 (CET)

McGonagal, Slughorn, Lupin, and Umbridge.[edit]

They all need their own articles. So does Neville, Luna, and Ginny. So does Sirius Black and Nymphadora Tonks. I will create theese articles if no one opposes. Thanks. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Booksurle (talkcontribs) 18:32, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

They do not need their own articles, their isn't enough out of universe material to justify individual articles. Try the Harry Potter wiki for that. Carl Sixsmith (talk) 19:22, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
I support Carl Sixsmith. This was discussed in the WikiProject Harry Potter in a large debate on Notability, and the remaining characters are the only ones to justify individual article. The rest are important characters only within the Harry Potter universe but have not received deep coverage and have no impact in popular culture. --LoЯd ۞pεth 05:24, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Moaning Myrtle[edit]

Doesn't Moaning Myrtle qualify as one of Hogwarts' ghosts?--64.91.27.50 (talk) 20:34, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

She is linked from this article and covered in List_of_Harry_Potter_supporting_characters#Moaning_Myrtle - the scope of this article has been limited to 'staff' ghosts who are resident in each house. See also Peeves the poltergeist. Elizium23 (talk) 20:40, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Verify this please[edit]

Can someone with access to Pottermore verify these two edits: [3] and [4], for accuracy, and to make sure they are not cut-and-paste copyright violations? Thanks. Elizium23 (talk) 19:16, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

They're correct all right. They're also copy and paste. Therequiembellishere (talk) 23:49, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

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First years and Quidditch[edit]

I recently reread Philosopher's Stone and note that "first years are forbidden their own brooms". Fred & George are in 2nd year in the first book, but appear to have been on the G'dor team the previous year. Harry is described as the youngest seeker, not necessarily the youngest player. I'd appreciate clarification on this, because while I don't mind editing, I don't like to make factual changes unless I am absolutely sure. Help, please. Also, aplogies if this has beeen picked up elsewhere. Proxxt (talk) 12:00, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I have found that the section on McGonagall was merged from an independent article with this edit in January 2008. (Sadly, it is a bit of a copyvio because the article was not linked for attribution, and its own contribution history has since been deleted.) At any rate, this shows how long the material has been in there without being challenged. That in itself is unsurprising. I have an American paperback copy of the book, and in the chapter "The Midnight Duel" it says: "[Malfoy] complained loudly about first years never getting on the house Quidditch team..." and Ron says "Seeker? But first years never—you must be the youngest house player in about—" "—a century." said Harry. I couldn't find the exact fact you mentioned, except for McGonagall mentioning "bending the first-year rule" and I can see how that would be mixed up to get the assertion in the article now. What chapter is that in? When you do change it, go ahead and cite the book with {{HPref}} or something. Elizium23 (talk) 14:37, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt response Elizium23, much appreciated. I realise I haven't quoted exactly. I'm thinking about the Hogwarts letter Harry receives in Bk. 1, book lists etc. where there is a reminder to parents that 1st years aren't allow thier own brooms. I looked at the sections you mentioned [thanks] and the situation is a bit ambiguous. I can't see anything that says 1st years are allowed to play on house teams, which suggests is it unusual rather than not allowed. It is thier own brooms that appears to be the rule and Harry getting his own broom that is bending the 1st year rule. I'll do a bit of rereading. Good of you to get back to me. Proxxt (talk) 10:42, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Nearly Headless Nick, and date of death.[edit]

Let's all calm down before things get too heated, and discuss things on the talk page, instead of one line edit summaries, eh?

We all contribute well to the HP pages, let's not waste effort here when it could be much better placed removing fancruft from List of Harry Potter characters, for example.

I am ambivalent about whether the info should stay or go - you two both have different viewpoints so why not try to convince me, instead of each other? Or indeed any other editor who may be reading this? Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:33, 13 December 2012 (UTC)