Talk:Holodomor

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Holdomor Propaganda?[edit]

ukraine was not the only one who expierenced a famine, more russians died in the famine of 1921 than in holdomore yet you dont see russians bitching about. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xu4g3l_russians-suffered-most-under-communism-not-ukrainians-or-baltics-9-million-death-people-forgotten_news So how is it a genocide if a drought happens? The article should question more what really happened and not some propaganda. Just the fact alone that they choose some name like holdomor that is similiar to holocaust shows there is some agenda which makes me very suspecious. The article should at least explain where this name comes from and who populaized it. --Locktarogar (talk) 17:40, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

it appears you've been indoctrinated with soviet propaganda. read a history book before trying to make a coherent argument here. If you're just trying to troll, this won't go far. Also, the article does explain the name, it's literally the first section: Etymology.--Львівське (говорити) 17:52, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
@Locktarogar, if you read up you will note:
  • as compared to the Russian famine of 1921 where international aid was provided and accepted, here Stalin suppressed news of the famine and, obviously, failed to accept any aid;
  • Ukrainian households stripped of all foodstuffs, left with absolutely nothing and left to starve, this wasn't just a requisitioning of grain;
  • Ukrainians were cordoned off and not allowed to leave the famine area, condemning them to die.
You would do well to study some history to put this tragedy into proper historical context instead of complaining that Russians don't bitch about the famine. They weren't targeted the way the Ukrainians were. VєсrumЬа TALK 03:44, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Suggestion about the lede[edit]

I think the opening paragraphs sort of pussy foots. In comparison, the article about the WW2 holocost comes right up and provides an estimate about the number of dead that gets precised later on in the text. Here, we start off with a vague estimate of 1 to 12 million that is really only of academic interest and should be deeper in the text. The best current estimate is what needs to be lead off with in my humble opinion. Given the current state of affairs in Ukraine, I don't want to jump in here and start making edits because it's probably a very controversial topic right now but this is my suggestion.

Considered genocide by thirteen states[edit]

It is not sourced that the states official recognized it as genocide. --Wrant (talk) 13:11, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

...what?--Львівське (говорити) 15:20, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
There is no source for the statemant "recognized as a genocide" where do you take the information from? --Wrant (talk) 20:28, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
probably here --Львівське (говорити) 20:39, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Lack of teachings in Western European school - an explanation[edit]

I always knew that Stalin was a mass-murderer. But the fact that he killed more Ukranians than Hitler killed Jews finally explains the modern Ukrainians hate for the Russians. It's irrational, but understandable. But don't know what's more crucial, the killings of the Ukrainians or the fact that in Western schools nowadays nothing of this is teached! Only Hitler is depicted as the bad guy, but there were two bad guys back then...independent of modern Western history propaganda. Interesting how this event doesn't fit neither into Western nor into Russian propaganda, so nobody remembers it except the Ukrainians. Let's still hope that the Ukrainians will get their own freedom and real independence some day. --178.197.236.243 (talk) 17:05, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

The page is not for discussing the topic, but for discussing changes to the article. I do not think that the famine led to anti-Russian feeling, but has been used to promote anti-Russian, anti-Communist and/or anti-Semitic feeling. TFD (talk) 20:37, 27 May 2014 (UTC)


Jewpedia[edit]

4 million? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.12.183.6 (talk) 16:07, 12 July 2014 (UTC)