Talk:Holodomor

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Suggestion about the lede[edit]

I think the opening paragraphs sort of pussy foots. In comparison, the article about the WW2 holocost comes right up and provides an estimate about the number of dead that gets precised later on in the text. Here, we start off with a vague estimate of 1 to 12 million that is really only of academic interest and should be deeper in the text. The best current estimate is what needs to be lead off with in my humble opinion. Given the current state of affairs in Ukraine, I don't want to jump in here and start making edits because it's probably a very controversial topic right now but this is my suggestion.

Lack of teachings in Western European school - an explanation[edit]

I always knew that Stalin was a mass-murderer. But the fact that he killed more Ukranians than Hitler killed Jews finally explains the modern Ukrainians hate for the Russians. It's irrational, but understandable. But don't know what's more crucial, the killings of the Ukrainians or the fact that in Western schools nowadays nothing of this is teached! Only Hitler is depicted as the bad guy, but there were two bad guys back then...independent of modern Western history propaganda. Interesting how this event doesn't fit neither into Western nor into Russian propaganda, so nobody remembers it except the Ukrainians. Let's still hope that the Ukrainians will get their own freedom and real independence some day. --178.197.236.243 (talk) 17:05, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

The page is not for discussing the topic, but for discussing changes to the article. I do not think that the famine led to anti-Russian feeling, but has been used to promote anti-Russian, anti-Communist and/or anti-Semitic feeling. TFD (talk) 20:37, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Most western schools lump this into the rest of Stalin's mass killings, but westerners do write about it. Some may be surprised to learn that this doesn't create massive anti-Russian sentiments today, this is mainly due to the very thorough purging and repopulating of the lower class farmers that it affected, plus the amount of time that has passed. I doubt there are neutral sources for either of these things though, so they will not be in the article any time soon. SabarCont 07:19, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
The Russians were multinational, including ethnic Georgians, Ukrainians and Poles.Xx236 (talk) 05:59, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Did other European countries know that mass starvation was happening in Slavic countries?[edit]

Did other European countries know that mass starvation was happening in Slavic countries? Did Polish people know? Did German people know?

Yes. Snyder describes reporters informing the rest of Europe, to little fanfare. SabarCont 07:09, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
What is the connection between "Slavic" and "Hunger"? Kasakhstan wasn't Slavic and several Slavic nations existed outside the SU.Xx236 (talk) 11:55, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

tables need fixing/labelling[edit]

They're a mess - is it number in thousands, or is it number per 100,000? I have no idea what sort of quantity/ratio are we talking about, as they are not labelled at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adoczek (talkcontribs) 10:12, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Was Holodomor the reason for anti-communism sentiment in western European countries?[edit]

Was Holodomor the reason for anti-communism sentiment in western European countries? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.45.41.210 (talk) 22:05, 22 September 2014 (UTC)