Talk:Horace Silver

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Quality[edit]

The quality of this article is not very good. Some major work needs to be done, and I'm sorry to see it in such a sad state at the moment. (Mind meal 09:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC))

Death rumours[edit]

There is no source stating that Horace Silver is actually dead, as of 8:48AM EST.BassHistory (talk) 13:48, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Untrue, try this German Swiss article if the Jazzwise piece is insufficient:. Philip Cross (talk) 14:19, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
The Jazzwise source IS insufficient. Don't weasel around that fact. If a real source, comes to light (in English), add it.BassHistory (talk) 14:23, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Let's look at the Jazzwise article, shall we? The openning sentence reads as follows:
It has been widely reported online and across social media that Horace Silver, one of jazz’s most prolific composers and influential pianists, has died aged 85 after a lengthy illness.
"It has been widely reported online and on social media". That has to be some of THE WORST journalism I have EVER seen! Mike Flynn, whoever he is, should be fired immediately. Facebook and Wikipedia. His sources are Facebook, and Wikipedia. Someone read it on Facebook, and then entered it in Wikipedia. Then the brilliant Mr. Flynn wrote his masterpiece article, which is subsequently posted to Wikipedia.BassHistory (talk) 14:36, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
I got a 404 error when I tried to view the Jazzwise article. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 17:00, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Apparently, he is still alive and this was all a hoax. There was supposedly confirmation from NPR, where his son was interviewed. I can't say that I don't feel vindicated for reverting all of the irresponsible edits. And really, shame on all of you here who tried to push the rumor through Wikipedia. It is trully an abuse of the platform.BassHistory (talk) 17:35, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

This article is now under temporary protection due to content disputes over the death claims. The one reference that has been mentioned states that his death is still a rumor and unconfirmed; when multiple reliable sources agree that he has passed, we can add the data then. Please discuss this further here. Slambo (Speak) 15:48, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

The Blue Note twitter feed confirms what has already been said. The category '2013 deaths' needs reverting to 'Living people' as soon as possible. Philip Cross (talk) 18:04, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
YesY Done. Jazzwise has since issued an apology for their earlier report. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 19:02, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Page should be editable to registered users now!Cosprings (talk) 19:37, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

The temporary page protection is now lifted. I don't see anything at NPR's site to confirm the interview request noted above, but the apology and correction notice confirms the original assertion that he has not yet died. Slambo (Speak) 11:55, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Name change from Silva to Silver[edit]

When, why? It's not mentioned at all. 24.241.69.99 (talk) 21:34, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done. Have now added some detail to Early Life section. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:33, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Not really "more American-sounding" - to me they sound pretty much the same. I know that the source uses the phrase, but we don't have to follow that. It's more of an spelling/orthographic change. Davidships (talk) 09:05, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you're quite right. I would imagine that what that source may have meant was "American-looking", i.e. how it might look on a job-application form (as for the many thousands of other Europeans who wanted to maximise their chances in the new world). And of course, it's going to be a function of regional accent - how that final "r" gets pronounced, if at all. Feel free to adjust as you see fit. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:12, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Style[edit]

I added this from Ronald Atkin's obituary piece in The Guardian:

"Realising that Powell's virtuoso technique was out of reach for him, Silver modified the style through chords, crafty use of space and oddball quotes from other melodies. Underpinned by pounding left-hand figures, these imparted a special kind of bonhomie, while the lack of bombast made Silver exceptionally convincing as a blues pianist. For many years, he played with his right wrist arched high over the keys, useless for fast fingering but effective for making each note ring out. Whereas frontline soloists expected pianists to feed them appropriate chords, Silver laid down more intrusive patterns, closer to riffs from a swing band." [1].

It seems like a useful summary. But another editor removed it. Should it go back in? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:11, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

The Influences and legacy section should be split: influences on him; influence on others; probably playing style as well. The quote is too long, but it could be paraphrased and included in a Playing style section. Part of the problem is the overall structure: without a major overhaul, fiddling with one part will lead to objections / reverts, because the article's structure is unclear. Look at some other jazz biographies for possible structures. EddieHugh (talk) 12:40, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
I fully agree about influences and legacy. If you think a major overhaul is in order, by all means go ahead. And trimming the quote would be perfectly acceptable. Many thanks for your input. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:04, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
I might take it on at some point if no-one else does, although I usually take on articles on more obscure people. In any case, I'll wait until the attention on him has faded a bit. Thanks, EddieHugh (talk) 15:21, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
shucks, if only he hadn't made ITN... Martinevans123 (talk) 15:30, 25 June 2014 (UTC)