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- 1 Expand grafting and cutting
- 2 Water retaining question
- 3 Horticulture
- 4 Structure
- 5 Random Question
- 6 Horticulture / agriculture
- 7 Missing information
- 8 Contrasted with Agronomy
- 9 Sheet mulching in links
- 10 Request for protection
- 11 File:Image of fresh produce on display.jpg Nominated for speedy Deletion
- 12 Indoor plant cultivation
- 13 Fungiculture and other cultivation
- 14 "Understanding horticulture"
- 15 External links
- 16 Subjective and Off-Topic Etymology
Expand grafting and cutting
- Is bolding all of those words necessary? ugen64 19:59, Mar 20, 2004 (UTC)
Water retaining question
Does anyone know about the plants that are the best at retaining stormwater in a sloping, wooded area?
Can anyone really tell me what is besides raising plants sans the green house?
Hello. I added some more information on what happens in horticultural nurseries. I think this needs more fleshing out but it also needs more sourcing Harristweed 04:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello again. I am considering making this article bigger using structure. If anyone has an idea then place it in this section. I suggest: Overview, Floriculture, Landscape horticulture, horticultural education, horticulture as a hobby , and the future of horticulture. It may also be a good idea to include some references in that. Harristweed 04:19, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Has the complete sequencing of the genome of the fungus, B. cinerea, been completed? Please Reply pop - 22.214.171.124 21:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Horticulture / agriculture
What is the difference between horiculture and agriculture, and could this be explained on the page? --Helenalex 22:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Can someone please edit the horticulturist page so it makes sense.
- For starters, I bulleted the list of 6 aspects of horticulture. Seems much easier to read and research that way. Let me know if that change appears okay. M.D. Vaden of Oregon.Mdvaden 17:43, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
- Agriculture (from the Latin for field and culture) is the practice of cultivating the land for the purpose of producing a crop. i.e. The process of Farming. It is generally large scale, outdoor, monoculture.
- Horticulture (from the Latin for garden and culture) is the art (technique) and activity of the cultivation of plants. The term encompasses techniques for raising and propagation, such as sowing of seed, vegetative reproduction (i.e. taking cuttings), layering etc. as well as such activities as plant breeding and cultural research.
- The confusion arises because the process of agriculture frequently employs some horticultural techniques. Particularly arable agriculture where plants are routinely raised from seed, fed through the application of fertiliser, irrigated and treated with pesticides (fungicides, insecticides and the like). All plant growing (horticultural) techniques, yet the process is still agriculture (farming). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 16:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- The way I've been taught it, agronomy (In this case, agriculture) deals with all facets of agriculture relating to large-scale commercial production. (Typically >10 acres) Alternatively, horticulture refers to smaller scale commercial production and specifically the production of fruits/vegetables and non-food crops. (Such as flowers) Some crops can be both an agronomic and horticultural crop depending on the region in question. For example, in Idaho, a potato would be classified as an agronomic crop, whereas elsewhere in the United States, it would be a horticultural crop. -jr637 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 13:17, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Horticulture has a very meaning in anthropology, where it refers to "primitive" low-yield agriculture.--Pharos 17:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- I am not aware of horticulture ever being defined as "a primitive, low yielding form of agriculture" - all the dictionaries and common usage I have observed clearly differentiate "horticulture" (plant growing) and "agriculture" (producing crops). Can you provide a reference? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 17:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Contrasted with Agronomy
The second sentence previously read:
Horticulture is the subdivision of Agriculture dealing in gardening of enclosed areas, in contrast to agronomy, which deals with field crops, and forestry which deals with forest trees and products related to them.
I have removed the italicized text. This definition of "agronomy" is not consistent with the explanation at agronomy nor with the definition at wikt:agronomy. Nothing at either page limits agronomy to field crops.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 11:03, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
- Then those other pages should be corrected. You should be able to find plenty of info on the net if you do not have access to any text books covering the subjects. Hardyplants 16:27, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
No, the proponent of the unsourced information is responsible for sourcing it. WP:SOFIXIT is not an excuse for not satisfying WP:V. The fact that I don't have time right now to research a more accurate definition does not mean I should let an unsourced and apparently inaccurate one stand. A quick look at several Agronomy web sites does not lead me to the conclusion that agronomy is limited to field crops. See the general references on the Agronomy article. If anyone concludes otherwise and has reliable sources to support that position, he or she should feel free to add the above information back in and correct the other articles as necessary.--Doug.(talk • contribs) 19:54, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
This is not correct. Horticulture is in no way a subset of agriculture. Agriculture is the process of producing crops, horticulture is the art of growing plants. The two things are technically and philosophically distinct. Agronomy is a subset of agriculture, or more specifically agricultural science. It is a term used for arable farming and research there into. Agronomy could also be considered to be a subset of horticulture. Please see above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 17:10, 21 November 2007 (UTC) hi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 22:14, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- The way I've been taught it, agronomy deals with all facets of agriculture relating to large-scale commercial production. (Typically >10 acres) Alternatively, horticulture refers to smaller scale commercial production and specifically the production of fruits/vegetables and non-food crops. (Such as flowers) Some crops can be both an agronomic and horticultural crop depending on the region in question. For example, in Idaho, a potato would be classified as an agronomic crop, whereas elsewhere in the United States, it would be a horticultural crop. -jr637 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 13:19, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
- What is the difference between "the process of producing" and "the art of growing"? What is the difference between "crops" and "plants"? Iapetus (talk) 17:27, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
Request for protection
FYI: I have put in a request for long-term semi-protection of this page at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection—Horticulture due to its persistent, long-term vandalism and "high-profile" (in an academic, not pop-culture, sense) subject matter.
- Peace and Passion ☮ ("I'm listening....") 21:05, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
- Well, it's been declined anyway. I just went through and counted the last 250 edits. If you subtract from them the edits which were reverts and their associated vandalism edits, you're left with 113 edits (at my count). That's less than 50%! If that's not chronic vandalism, I don't know what is.
- Peace and Passion ☮ ("I'm listening....") 21:05, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
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Indoor plant cultivation
There seems to be a redirect of Indoor plant cultivation to this article, yet this article never even mentions it.
Outdoor plant cultivation is less efficient than indoor cultivation since the plant can heat up too much and since light can't be directed, the latter would probably also waste allot of the plant's energy since it needs to follow the sun (morphogenesis)
This should be mentioned or a new article needs to be made, and atleast SON-T lamps and the red and blue led lights combination. This combination is necessairy to allow the plant to grow efficiently (plants used mostly red light for photosynthesis) and for morphogenesis (for this they require blue light). See also http://www.plantlab.nl/4.0/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 13:44, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Fungiculture and other cultivation
is fungiculture a subset of horticulture? perhaps one might say that some fungiculture doesn't always involve gardens, depending on one's definition of "garden". but in the cases where it does occur in a garden, is it part of horticulture?
the first sentence of the article seems to indicate that fungiculture is not included in horticulture:
- Horticulture is the art, science, technology and business of intensive plant cultivation for human use.
fungi are not plants, so their cultivation is excluded. but a few sentences later, we see
- [Horticulture] is very diverse in its activities, incorporating plants for food (fruits, vegetables, mushrooms, culinary herbs) and non-food crops (flowers, trees and shrubs, turf-grass, hops, grapes, medicinal herbs).
now fungi (or at least mushrooms) are included. which is it, then? this sentence contains a few other problems, too. it lists mushrooms as an example of "plants for food", yet mushrooms are not plants. strangely, it only lists mushrooms in the "for food" list, despite the fact that many mushrooms are grown for medicinal, ornamental, or other non-food purposes. and it makes no mention of fungi that are cultivated for other parts besides mushrooms, such as mycelium or sclerotia. but the biggest issue with this sentence is that it contradicts the first one quoted above.
so is horticulture actually "the art, science, technology and business of intensive plant and fungus cultivation for human use"?
further, what about the cultivation of members of other kingdoms? if i was intensively cultivating algae or slime mold for human use, would that activity be included in horticulture? what about the cultivation of colonies of bacteria or archaea?
further still, is it really a requirement that the organisms are cultivated for human use? what if a human is cultivating them for a dog's use? what if an ant hive is cultivating them for its own use? the methods involved in cultivation are largely—though not entirely—agnostic of the organisms that perform the cultivation and of the organisms that make use of the products. shouldn't it be valid to call those methods "horticultural" even if humans are not involved?
and is it even relevant that the products have a use? what if i'm cultivating some plants simply because i think it's a good hobby but i have no actual use for the plants that i produce? am i not still practicing horticulture?
returning to the word's etymology, it seems that the defining characteristic of horticulture should be the cultivation of a garden. what, then, is a garden? i propose that it is any colocated collection of apparently (to the cultivators) stationary organisms cultivated by other organisms (the cultivators).
perhaps the definition of horticulture should be
- Horticulture is the art, science, technology, and business of intensive cultivation of stationary organisms.
- Obviously there are multiple senses in which the word is used in common English, and the article should cater for all of them. It is not the purpose of Wikipedia to come up with an agreed definition. Mushroom cultivation is often treated as a branch of horticulture in that fungi and their cultivation have many of the characteristics of plants and their cultivation (including as your definition above suggests, being stationary organisms). Imc (talk) 07:24, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
I have trimmed the link farm, we don't need specific gardens listed here, it's not a directory and I've removed all but the top level of domains www.ishs.org and www.rhs.org.uk Theroadislong (talk) 15:31, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Subjective and Off-Topic Etymology
The etymology section is a wreck.
It starts out fine, but then it veers off topic and attempts to persuade the reader that horticulture is more than what people thinks, as if the writer was a horticulturist themselves. That's two offenses at least: subjection and irrelevance. That paragraph isn't 'easy on the eyes' either. It is far too long to be single paragraph, and instead ought to be broken up into smaller chunks so the reader can take it in. That's a third offense: Long section.
What's more, looking at this talk page I can tell that this entire article has had an even more subjective past.
This topic explains the Templates that I placed underneath the second paragraph of the section: 'Etymology'.
- I agree and have attempted to fix the problems you identified, by removing most of the section, and moving a little bit of it to a new section. I took the liberty of removing both the multiple-issues section tag and the overall bias tag. Please feel free to re-tag if you think there are still issues. For what it's worth, much of what I removed, and some of what I left, have the flavor of a textbook, making me wonder if there is a copyright violation, but I have no evidence that this is the case. At any rate, thanks for identifying the problem! Peter Chastain [habla, por favor] 04:34, 21 May 2014 (UTC)