Talk:Hourglass drum

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Someone has suggested that the article on the sacred African (mainly Nigerian) Yorúbà/Lucumí batá drums be merged into the Hourglass drum article. I have strong feelings on this based on my own experience as a percussionist and one sensitive to the cultural implications of the batá drums, not simply as a purist or one tending toward a single school of thought, but as one who recognizes the shape of these drums for what they are, which is definitely not hourglass-shaped, it is hyperbolic. To put a cap on it, the preceding is not hyperbole. I have worked with people who practice the religion of Lucumí and/or Santería and I can state unequivocally that there has been a historic tendency to both demonize and marginalize every religion and culture on this planet other than a few overarching sects of Christianity, which is a big mistake. God doesn't speak only one language. He/She speaks all of them, and there is plenty of disk space in Wikipedia (and mind space in humans) for reasonable distinctions to peacefully coexist. I say leave it intact and don't ever try to swallow it into another article of which it is NOT a sub-category.

FYI, whereas African-derived batá are technically shaped as hyperbolas (think nuclear reactor steam-stacks), many African-derived talking drums (also called tamas in Senegal and dunduns in Nigeria) in fact ARE hourglass-shaped. I don't see anyone trying to squeeze talking drums into Asian (or other) Hourglass drums articles. I'm curious what others think or if I have effectively put this bid to rest. No offense.

Nuance, friends... the stuff of knowledge! Peace, out. fjeinca comment added 04:29, 28 July 2009 (UTC).

To verify

• China - ?
• Japan - den-den daiko
• Thailand - ?

Badagnani (talk) 18:46, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

merger of Damaru with Hourglass drum

I contest the merger of the 'Damaru' article with that of the 'Hourglass drum'. We are not constrained by space on Wikipedia so championing cultural diversity to ensure richness is not collapsed into a base homogeneity is to be prized. The damaru has a significant spiritual, religious, magical and ritual function. It is an hourglass drum yes, but of a very specific nature and kind. The 'Hourglass drum' article may definitely contain information regarding the damaru with a deixis to the full-article proper. Indeed, I hold that to be sensible and sound.
B9 hummingbird hovering ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:36, 23 December 2009 (UTC)>

Janggu Page Should Not Be Merged With Another Page

The Wikipedia article on the main Korean traditional drum, properly called "janggo," is headed with a suggestion to merge the article with one about hourglass drums. That suggestion should be refused because the present article would lose much interesting information if it were tailored to fit the article on hourglass drums. The latter should make mention of the janggo and give details appropriate for such a general study, but we cannot merge the janggo article into it without losing details about the janggo--or otherwise provide excessive details on an example within a general article. The reason the details concerning the janggo are significant is that it developed in a specific culture distinct from those producing other examples of "hourglass drums," and given it's significance in that culture (of Korea), there is much to say on the subject strictly in its own cultural context. This counterindicates merging this article ("janggo") with the other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dannooll (talk • contribs) 05:26, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Don't do it!

Combining all of these various drums into the generic hourglass drum listing is analogous to putting guitar, banjo, sitar, and ngoni in a generic "lute" article. Or putting Chinese, English, and Farsi into a "language" article. Perhaps the least significant thing about the bata drum is that it is shaped like an hourglass. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.140.118.164 (talk) 15:23, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Dhad Sarangi Merge

Someone suggested that dhad sarangi be merged with hourglass drum. I object. However, I believe that dhad-sarangi should not be on the same page, rather (sarangi has its own page already), dhad needs its own page, and the context of dhad sarangi ensemble need to mentioned in a separate Dhadi article (needs to be created). The dhad, while also being a trad. Sikh and Sufi ensemble instrument,has made its way into modern pop music 'big time' (Bhangra). This should also be mentioned.Anyway, the way it is now. i.e. dhad sarangi puts somewhat a limitation to further expanding and something tells me, that is was intended. 95.223.187.171 (talk) 03:25, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Don't merge the articles

Cross referencing to the generic "hourglass drum" page is OK, but the African Talking Drum certainly deserves its own page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.33.199.77 (talk) 11:54, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Uncalled for merge

Drums like Talking Drums are referred to by name, not referred to as hour glass drums. The Hour glass drum article does not need to be artificially bolstered in girth by squashing several disparate drums from different cultures in to one irrelevant article. It is much better the let these things have their own individual pages as they have diverse histories and applications. Leave the articles be. I think it is ignorant to merge all these drums under a heading that they are not even addressed by. If anything, the article stub for hourglass drum is unnecessary and should be deleted. Not merged with other articles.

DannabisAx (talk) 01:46, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Results

No one agree on the mergings.

--Opus88888 (talk) 03:27, 22 August 2011 (UTC)