Talk:Hrólfr Kraki

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Origins for Rolf Krake[edit]

Feel free to add references, links and your thoughts on this subject, email me at [[1]].

(Wilmer Thomas)

Even though I feel free, I hate to post anything that might be wrong or incompatible with the version you're following. However, here are some changes I'd like to make, based partly on Anderson's version:

(After Rolf becomes king.) Many heroes come to serve Rolf, most notably Bodvar Bjarke. (Bodvar means "battle".) Twelve in particular were recognized as his best men. This article omits the stories that are told about them.

(After the escape from Adils.) In Svitjod, Rolf is joined by a young man named Vögg who gave him the nickname Krake. ("Krake" means a kind of primitive ladder consisting of a conifer trunk with the stubs of its branches. Rolf is physically unimpressive, especially compared to some of his twelve companions.)'

(Under "Origins of the myth".) The character names given in parentheses here are the Anglo-Saxon names from Beowulf of characters who seem to correspond to those in Rolf's story. However, the alignment is not definite.

The myth of Rolf ruling over a golden age and surrounded by legendary heroes may be compared to the myths of King Arthur and the Round Table and to those of Charlemagne and his twelve paladins in the chansons de geste

Any mistakes in there?

JerryFriedman 23:02, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

By the way, is Sweagris a Danish name or an Anglo-Saxon one?

Old East Norse (Old Swedish and Old Danish).--Wiglaf 22:47, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hrolf's champions[edit]

I noticed that in this article the twelve men following King Hrolf Kraki in his campaign against King Adils are described as being berserkers. In the versions that I have read, Bodvar Bjarki and Hjalti had previosly defeated and dishonored most of King Hrolf's beserkers. Thereafter in the saga the twelve men are known as his champions. This group is composed of Bodvar, Hjalti (formerly Hott), the thee brothers Svipdag, Hvitserk, and Beygad, and the some of the remaining berserkers.

The use of "champion" instead of "berserker" is probably only a matter of choice. In Skaldskaparmal, these twelve men are indeed described as berserkers[2].--Berig 10:39, 20 November 2006 (UTC)