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Undue mentions[edit]

Not being selected in a country's 5G rollout is not due by itself in the lead. There was an edit conflict so I was not able to change things around exactly. Unrelated changes were also caught up in Amigao's revert. CurryCity (talk) 22:27, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Costa Rica's restriction [1] is not a ban to target Huawei because the new rule affects South Korea, Russia, Brazil and others based on a country's, not company's, position. CurryCity (talk) 23:04, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is still a restriction on Huawei, as explained quite well in the citation. We follow what the WP:RS says. Amigao (talk) 23:21, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a restriction or ban against Huawei specifically, therefore it is undue about Huawei. Here is the RS wording "5G company restrictions", "decree's ban applies to tech companies", "only firms based in nations endorsing the Budapest Convention on cybercrime will be eligible." The criterion is home countries' status, not Huawei. CurryCity (talk) 23:42, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The source does appear to mention Huawei specifically. Perhaps it could use less weight, but it is in there. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:44, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You mention some edits where there is disagreement, and some edits that may have been erroneously caught up. What's the specific disagreement? JArthur1984 (talk) 23:53, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I added this context. Perhaps it satisfies both of your positions. JArthur1984 (talk) 00:04, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and the Convention on Cybercrime is good context. Thanks. Amigao (talk) 00:06, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome, glad I could help. JArthur1984 (talk) 00:26, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Huawei being left out of bidding is not by itself due for inclusion. We don't mention being left out of proposals on every company's article. Huawei should be at least a target, preferably named so we don't need to guess, by a ban or restriction for it to be included in this article, because it is really about the company, not about Costa Rica, China, some other national policy or broader topic. CurryCity (talk) 02:58, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Huawei is explicitly called out in those WP:RSs so no guesswork is needed. Amigao (talk) 14:13, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The section about Meng Wanzhou should be minimal because it is mostly about her case, the information is mentioned in other sections as well and has its own article. CurryCity (talk) 04:55, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Amigao, I also tend to think this section is too long, or at least has more citations than necessary. What do you see as the advantage to using the "Excerpt" format? JArthur1984 (talk) 15:01, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The extradition case of Meng Wanzhou lede needs some work, but the excerpt is far better than the prior summary, which was an extreme oversimplification of the matter. Amigao (talk) 15:18, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How does the excerpt format work from a technical standpoint? Does it automatically pick up changes from the lead of the page where the excerpt comes from? I.E. to trim material on this page it would have to be trimmed at the case page? JArthur1984 (talk) 15:27, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Correct, you got the gist of it. See: Template:Excerpt. Amigao (talk) 15:39, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Use of Template:Excerpt is fine. However I added back the following for context behind the extradition request: In December 2012, Reuters reported that "deep links" existed as early as 2010 between Huawei through Meng Wanzhou (who was then CFO of the firm) and an Iranian telecom importer named Skycom.^[1] The US had long-standing sanctions on Iran, including against the importation of US technology goods into Iran.^[2]^[3]^[4] ^[5] DunnsMainDeliFan (talk) 19:00, 19 October 2023 (UTC) Blocked sock. Qiushufang (talk) 23:13, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would recommend that you include that context in the lede for extradition case of Meng Wanzhou instead and it would still appear in the excerpt. It's much cleaner that way. Amigao (talk) 20:06, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Or we could put the excerpt in a sub-heading a level deeper since it is specifically about the extradition case. Amigao (talk) 20:27, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

~~Like how you implemented the excerpt in a sub-heading. DunnsMainDeliFan (talk) 21:13, 19 October 2023 (UTC)~~ Blocked sock. Qiushufang (talk) 23:13, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the name of the last section because we have added different types of information there. CurryCity (talk) 07:03, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Stecklow, Steve; Rochabrun, Marcelo (16 September 2020). "Top Huawei executives had close ties to company at center of U.S. criminal case". Reuters. Retrieved 18 September 2020.
^ Reisinger, Don. "Huawei caught up in legal mess over cell equipment sales to Iran". CNET. Archived from the original on 7 April 2019. Retrieved 7 April 2019.
^ Warburton, Moira (28 May 2020). "Timeline: Key events in Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou's extradition case". Reuters. Archived from the original on 28 May 2020. Retrieved 15 June 2020.
^ Zhong, Raymond (7 December 2018). "Meng Wanzhou Was Huawei's Professional Face, Until Her Arrest". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 8 December 2018. Retrieved 8 December 2018.
^ Wakabayashi, Daisuke; Rappeport, Alan (5 December 2018). "A Top Huawei Executive Is Arrested in Canada for Extradition to the U.S." The New York Times. Archived from the original on 6 December 2018. Retrieved 6 December 2018.

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"Wearables"[edit]

Section only mentions the watch(es), but they do fitness trackers too. I really should downgrade this to C-class, but then again, I don't want to do WP politics. jae (talk) 18:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Stecklow, Steve; Rochabrun, Marcelo (16 September 2020). "Top Huawei executives had close ties to company at center of U.S. criminal case". Reuters. Retrieved 18 September 2020.

[Reuters-partner-2] Reisinger, Don. "Huawei caught up in legal mess over cell equipment sales to Iran". CNET. Archived from the original on 7 April 2019. Retrieved 7 April 2019.

[Warburton_2020-3] Warburton, Moira (28 May 2020). "Timeline: Key events in Huawei CFO Meng Wanzhou's extradition case". Reuters. Archived from the original on 28 May 2020. Retrieved 15 June 2020.

[4] Zhong, Raymond (7 December 2018). "Meng Wanzhou Was Huawei's Professional Face, Until Her Arrest". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 8 December 2018. Retrieved 8 December 2018.

[auto6-5] Wakabayashi, Daisuke; Rappeport, Alan (5 December 2018). "A Top Huawei Executive Is Arrested in Canada for Extradition to the U.S." The New York Times. Archived from the original on 6 December 2018. Retrieved 6 December 2018.

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