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Native Americans[edit]

Hudson Valley was certainly home to the groups mentioned, but actually neither were considered River Indians. That distinction was given by New Netherlanders to the groups whose territory abutted the Hudson further south), namely the Wappinger, Tappan, Haverstraw, Hackensack, Raritan, Manhattan,and Canarsee. The Munsee living along the west shore and highlands were known as the Esopus. Djflem (talk) 14:31, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

question[edit]

Isn't the following POV? I certainly don't see any citations, and as a past resident of Mid-hudson valley, don't remember passing through areas littered with shut down factories.

the Hudson Valley has been heavily plagued by economic decline and unemployment at a degree much greater than any other area in the state. Today the valley is littered with old abandoned factories and buildings that show evidence of a once bustling metropolis (upscale theatres, lavish homes and resort-hotels, health spas). Much of the Valley today is heavily plagued with crime and poverty.

Hi, I wrote that entire section well over a year ago and I'm surprised (more like alarmed actually) that it has survived, almost exactly as I wrote it, for such a long time. Anyway, I grew up in Ossining and have spent lots of time in Peekskill, and a lesser degree of time in Yonkers, New Paltz, Poughkeepsie, Kingston, Albany, and various locales within the Catskills. I agree that was I wrote is completely biased (I was angry at the time and I still am) and that "littered" may be a too strong (or just an incorrect) word to use. However, maybe there are more crusty abandoned buildings in Ossining and Peekskill than there are in the mid-Hud, but I don't know...while I still stand by what I wrote as accurate from someone who has been living here for 22 years and has seen the changing (or not so changing) tides, the destruction of building after building who once had valid purpose and still could, and the construction of condominiums, Wal-Marts and other obscenities of the modern concept of someone's ideal suburban life for the sake of my waterfront and any semblance of culture that once may have existed in my home town (Sing Sing notwithstanding)...I wouldn't stand in the way of anyone trying to remove the bias :) And maybe what I wrote has stuck around for such a long time because of the very reasons I just mentioned. --dmnapolitano 02:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

  • I took a shot at revising and updating the section, cleaning up the language, and making it more NPOV. I also thought it was important to strengthen the discussion of the significant residential development and how while the region contains some areas with crime and poverty, it also contains some of the wealthiest commuities in the country.--Ana Nim 14:36, 28 December 2006 (UTC)



Considering the extreme brevity of the article on the Mid Hudson region, and the obvious overlap occurring with the Hudson Valley proper, it would be advantageous and advisable to combine these two sections. Being a resident of the area, and often hear both "Mid Hudson" and "Hudson Valley" Regions.Wikkany Lion 00:35, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


I vote for 'DELETION' of the Mid Hudson page. It's small, as you point out, and there are no similar pages for the Upper or Lower Hudson. Why not just have it as a redirect to the Hudson Valley page?

Adam Holland 00:56, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

'DELETION' would not lose information. The possible reasons for the lack of analogous pages for the Upper and Lower Hudson Valley is perhaps because those in the Lower region identify themselves with the Suburbs of New York, while those from the Upper region identify themselves with the 'Capitol District'(Albany). Nonetheless, delection would be sufficient.Wikkany Lion 00:35, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Unless some unique content is going to be added, I believe the Mid Hudson page should redirect to Hudson Valley.--Ana Nim 14:36, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Hudson Valley Rent Strike[edit]

Do a google search for the Hudson Valley Rent Strike... it seems pretty important, I'm surprised it's not on here.

Hudson Valley Sightings[edit]

Hudson valley was the site of one of the most famous UFO-sightings ever. [1] [2] [3] There is even a book about it. [4] I think this is worth mentioning. I will also create a Hudson Valley Sightings-stub. Kricke 01:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Many of those sightings took place in close promximity to Stewart Airport. I've even seen some of the videos and they are obviously the tail lights of planes. Now, I'm not judging anyone, just pointing out that the nearness of those sightings to a busy airport is worth looking into before adding to an article. I grew up near there and until while Stewart was a military airport, there were few sightings. once it became a public airport and the number of flights increased tremendously, suddeny\ly people are seeing UFOs. It could be misidentification or maybe Aliens just like to watch planes land too. Lisapollison 05:59, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I'm not claiming the UFOs to be aliens. :) Just UFOs (unidentified flying objects). The event is quite famous in popular culture, and should be mentioned because of that, not because it was "in fact" visited by some extremely unlikely aliens. Kricke (talk) 15:25, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Westchester part of Hudson Valley[edit]

Hi, I'm delighted this page is here, and it is off to a good start. My only request is that Westchester be included in the Hudson Valley. I've met lots of people in the City of Yonkers, and the lower Hudson towns of Greenburgh, Eastchester, Mount Pleasant, and New Castle who all consider themselves residents of the HV, and are members or supporters of such organizations as Historic Hudson Valley, Scenic Hudson, and Groundwork Hudson Valley. The Westchester and Rockland newspaper has its website and sections of the paper describing "LoHud" which is short for Lower Hudson Valley.

The reference to the sign on the Thruway (I-87) in Yonkers that says something like Hudson Valley Heritage Area exits begin with Exit 9 is something we've been complaining about since it first went up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by HamTech87 (talkcontribs) 11:10, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Map question[edit]

If the Hudson Valley is comprised of eleven counties, why does it appear that only six are highlighted on the map?--otherlleft (talk) 22:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Right you are. I removed the offending map, and moved the correct map to the lead. -- Mwanner | Talk 21:44, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
You know, the new map is much better in so many ways . . . thanks!--otherlleft (talk) 21:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Downstate bias[edit]

Like most articles to do with the Hudson River there is a noticeable bias in favor of information about areas from Poughkeepsie south. I know you outnumber us, but those of us in the Capital District are one million strong and deserve to as much attention. Why define the Hudson Valley to exclude Saratoga and Washington counties? or Warren County with the city of Glens Falls. Those areas are just as connected and important to the Hudson River and Hudson Valley. By excluding those areas you automatically dont cover the geography of the river where dredging by the EPA and that whole controversy is going on. Albany and Troy are greatly important to the history and geography of the Valley and yet get cursory attention. What about geological information about Lake Albany and glaciers and the formation of the valley during the ice age?Camelbinky (talk) 06:50, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

City and town section[edit]

I'm wondering if the cities and towns section is really needed or practical. The Hudson Valley is a nebulous area, unless you are going to go by some sort of strict geographical boundary, which I'm not sure if that even exists without any controversy. To say, this town is in the Hudson Valley, is kind of subjective, plus there are towns that may be partly in the HV. What is the criteria for inclusion? If it is going to be a long list, I can split it off as a separate list article, see my work at List of incorporated places in New York's Capital District for a similar set-up I have done.Camelbinky (talk) 00:51, 2 August 2009 (UTC)