Talk:Human factors and ergonomics

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Hi there, I'm sure I'll get a lot of flak for this, but i created this article from Human factors and Ergonomics, two articles that reproduced a lot of the same material and both did quite a good job of explaining that the two fields were, essentially, one. Famousdog (c) 09:44, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for putting the effort into what must have been a massively non-trivial task. For convenience, here are Talk:Ergonomics and Talk:Human factors. There may be some slick way to pin them to the top of this page... __ Just plain Bill (talk) 13:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Can we just name the page one or the other? I'd lean towards 'ergonomics', as that would seem to be the more popular and commonly known term (traffic stats show about 70k pageviews for ergonomics in June, only about 12k for human factors). If the fields are the same and the terms are synonymous, there's no reason we must include both in the title. It's really clumsy phrasing, and a little bit confusing. Honestly, naming the page either one would be preferable to naming it *both*. Mxheil (talk) 18:51, 19 July 2012 (UTC) -- Also, I'm no expert on either subject, but it seems we had this debate a few years ago and the answer was no. Maybe the opposition was just a bunch of unsupported opinions, but there sure were a lot of them and at least a few cited specific organizations and university programs (GMU, Indiana, Illinois, among others). And I was on the Ergonomics page (by far the more frequently viewed of the two) a few days ago and didn't see any merge banner. I feel very iffy about opening up this 'debate' for three weeks without a merge banner on the main page involved and then closing the case and merging the pages after no one notices. Maybe it was there and I just missed it, but right now this change (a pretty big one) is very surprising. Mxheil (talk) 19:13, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the input (where were you when I first suggested this merge?! Only joking!). As far as I can see, the debate "a few years ago" seemed to sputter out because it was presented as a merge of one article into the other, not a merging of both articles into a new heading. So the result of that debate was to do nothing, thereby leaving the unsatisfactory situation of two articles about essentially the same topic saying much the same thing! I'm happy to consider a different title, but there are obviously entrenched opinions about retaining both terms so I think any attempt to put this all under "ergonomics" (or, indeed, "human factors") will meet with strident opposition. Personally, I prefer the term ergonomics and I think HF is a vague and confusing term best abandoned, but that's just me. Famousdog (c) 09:50, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
We'll see how/if the debate plays out, but I personally think it should be a priority to simplify the page's name. If we can pick one term or the other, we should choose the most widely used term. If we can't pick one or the other, are they really synonymous? Not that I'm saying they aren't. They certainly seem to be, as the current article says, "essentially synonymous". Mxheil (talk) 15:16, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Sorry, I missed your earlier comment about the "missing" merge banner. I did add one and it was there for two weeks without eliciting comment. Ditto for the human factors article. I took this as encouragement to do something bold! Famousdog (c) 20:45, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I went back into the page history and saw it. Guess my eyes just passed over it before. Mxheil (talk) 14:16, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

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Physical ergonomics, a link on this page, redirects to this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesjansson (talkcontribs) 08:01, 17 April 2014 (UTC)