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The People's Republic of Hungary had actually two different coats of arms, one from 1949 until the 1956 revolution, and one after the revolution, respectively. The article only shows the latter one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.2.139.222 (talk) 17:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

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Several inconsistencies in the article[edit]

I'm unhappy to see when history gets revised from a perspective of now instead of 20 years ago, when it happened. The authors or authors of this article stated some inconsistencies.

1. The Hungarian Soviet Republic was not the second, but the third state to adopt communism, see Bavarian Soviet Republic for reference. Aside from that from the armistice of 1918 until the peace of 1920 and its ratification of 1921 no hungarian state was officially acknowledged, for reference see the history of Hungary between 1918 and 1921.

2. Churches of any kind were opressed in Eastern countries but of course not for reasons as stated to separate it from the state but to push it on the sideline into unimportance.

3. Last but not least there are inconstiencies with the content of Transition to democracy. The Network of Free Initiatives (Szabad Kezdeményezések Hálózata) was not "so-called" but a real opposition force. The author favors the opinion that was formed after 1994 when the Union of Free Democrats (SZDSZ) made a coalition with the Hungarian Socialist Party(MSZP) that it was premeditated though it was not, for reference see former SZDSZ-members in the Fidesz, like István Tarlós and others who left the SZDSZ for the aforementioned reasons.

That Pozsgay was admitted to the Politbüro is lesser important than the fact that country was run by Károly Grósz, who is not even mentioned in the article, although he was the General Secretary who used his power to slow the changes. Pozsgay was in fact a so-called opposition, he did not favoured the multi-party system. He might be a great friend of Viktor Orbán now, though he was not, when Orbán and fellow members were beaten in 1988. Indeed, the Ventral Plenum did favoured the multi-party system, for reasons of winning time, every communist party did or tried that, so that in the coming elections they win most of the votes. Amusing to read that the Communist party's membership declined, a mere statistical fact. In a faint liberalising attempt the Hungarian Workers Socialist Party had established the Patriotic Front of the People (Hazafias Népfront) to establish "free elections" in 1985, Pozsgay was also a member of this organization. Also "freed" or "individualized" party secretaries were also no members anymore, yet all of these people were part of the establishment.

Pozsgay said people's uprising not popular uprising, major difference. The Hungarian Workers Socialist Party reformed itself to 2 parties, not one: one being the MSZP and the other one the new MSZMP, so MSZP is de jure and the Magyar Kommunista Munkáspárt (Munkáspárt, MSZMP) is the de facto follower of the former MSZMP.

The article fails to mention that the MSZMP wanted a strong President of the Republic so if anyone becomes the new prime minister he will have as much power as that of France. The provisional president, Mátyás Szűrös took that position. The author should mention that before 2000 he was an influential socialist politician, former ambassador to Moscow. The readers should not be mislead into believing these people were democrats, on the contrary.

And I truely admit that the Fidesz played part, a big one actually in the transition, still they were not the only ones as some including themselves try to interpret it as a "unique" way to present history. Shinichi1977 (talk) 18:30, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Incorrect statement regarding the ÁVH[edit]

This Wikipedia entry contains the incorrect statement that "Communist Interior Minister László Rajk established the ÁVH secret police".

In reality, Rajk established the ÁVO (the Department of State Defence within the Hungarian State Police). The ÁVH was established at the proposal of János Kádár, Rajk's successor as Interior Minister. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.36.19.111 (talk) 14:36, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Separate article about "Communism in Hungary"?[edit]

Communism in Hungary redirects here which I don't think is right considering that communism has played a role in Hungarian politics before and after the People's Republic of Hungary, examples being the short-lived Hungarian Soviet Republic, the experiment with council communism during the Hungarian Revolution of 1956, and of course the status of contemporary communist parties in Hungary. Charles Essie (talk) 21:04, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Move?[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:49, 11 April 2014 (UTC)


  • People's Republic of HungaryHungarian People's Republic
  • If I may make a request, I'd like to ask you to implement the move listed above. The official name of the state was 'Hungarian People's Republic', despite this common misconception. This is evident in the Constitution of said state, as seen here. This is also evident in documents found here, detailing the HPR's accession to various conventions at WIPO. Hence, the page should be moved as a technicality, considering the present error. Thanks very much. RGloucester 03:47, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Transferred from my user talk page. Better discuss this request. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:41, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
@Norden1990: Please explain? How is this not 'English'? I linked English-language sources. The English name is 'Hungarian People's Republic', no different from the accepted forms for many states, such as 'French Republic', 'Italian Republic', 'Romanian People's Republic'. RGloucester 16:27, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Most of the English-language sources use "People's Republic of Hungary". —Norden1990 (talk) 22:23, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
@Norden1990: Not true. I'm not a big supporter of Google Ngrams, but they give a good depiction of broad usage over time. Look at this. Click the 'search' button after you arrive at the page. This makes it clear that 'Hungarian People's Republic' has always been preferred in reliable sources. What's more, it is the only correct translation. Please reconsider your opposition to this proposal. RGloucester 01:12, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Support per evidence given by the nominator. In addition to being the most common name, it has the benefit of being a more accurate translation. (Cf. German Democratic Republic, not Democratic Republic of Germany) —  AjaxSmack  03:24, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment - If I may, I will break down the etymology, so that I can demonstrate the translation point. The official name of the entity described by this article in Hungarian is Magyar Népköztársaság. 'Magyar' does not mean 'Hungary', but instead refers to 'Hungarians', the people. The word for 'Hungary' is Magyarország, which, as one may note, does not appear in the title. RGloucester 04:59, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Support, OK you've convinced me. --Norden1990 (talk) 20:19, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
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