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Untitled[edit]

According to the GAA site, the hurley is actually curved, not flat.

Depends on how you look at it. Viewed edge-on it's flat, viewed side-on it's curved.

Older Than Stated[edit]

The article states that hurling has been around for 2000 years but in actuality, there are references as far back as 1300 BC (3300 years ago). Article here: http://goireland.about.com/od/specialinterestholidays/qt/gg_hurling.htm. It's also recognised as being part of the Tailteann Games, the oldest ever recorded organised sporting event. Referenced in this book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Z-Sport-Compendium-Sporting-Knowledge/dp/0316726451. I propose we change the article to reflect this and replace the 2000 years reference. 194.69.198.243 (talk) 13:52, 21 April 2009 (UTC)Illuvater

The reference is to myth, not history! The article above also tells us about a famous match Setanta played. Furthermore, the reference in the article that's claimed to verify this age (ref 1) makes no mention whatsoever of the history of hurling.

History[edit]

What is the source of the 13th century BC quotation? Ian Cairns 23:44, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The article states that hurling came to Ireland with the Celts, but as there is no evidence the Celts came to Ireland, should this be removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.118.114 (talk) 13:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Say what?! No evidence that the Celts came to Ireland?! --Eamonnca1 TALK 22:55, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Fastest Sport?[edit]

As a fan of Ice Hockey I respect Hurling as important antecedent of my favourite game. But it certainly NOT the world's fastest team sport as this article states. Ice hockey is faster simply on the baisis of player movement. You can move much faster on skates that on foot.142.179.204.25 00:19, 16 October 2005 (UTC)KJB

Re: Fastest Sport?[edit]

Yes, Ice Hockey players move faster but the fastest sport is judged by the average speed of the playing ball, not the average speed of the participant.

If the above is so, then tennis would be the fastest sport.

Re: Fastest Sport?[edit]

The reference is also to Hurling as the fastest FIELD sport.

I've been told that ultimate frisbee is the second fastest team sport after ice hockey. Whether it's true or not I'll have to let you decide. Possibly this is in reference not to the speed of the "ball" (ie disc/frisbee in this case) but to the speed of the players; you tend to sprint a lot in ultimate frisbee. I'm not sure. --Finlay 20:30, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

What's the source of the claim about a hockey ball going faster than a sliothar? I've asked for a citation. --Eamonnca1 18:09, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Clarification on catching rules.[edit]

I don't understand this part:

If the ball is caught, the catching player may not throw it or carry it for the shorter of four paces or four seconds, but is allowed to strike the ball with a stick or hand, or by kicking.

Does this mean that you can carry it for four paces, or four seconds, whichever is shorter? I take it to mean it can't be thrown, but can be held on to or struck. Shouldn't it read, ... may not throw it, but may carry it for the shorter of four paces or four seconds, by which time the ball must be struck by a hand or stick, or kicked.

The it reads it now almost seems that if you can stand still holding the ball for longer than four seconds, you can carry it all you like, but then why the part about paces?

If I'm misinterpreting this, can this be clarified for us people who are misunderstanding? - Dharmabum420 05:12, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

According to the G Book of Records http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/content_pages/record.asp?recordid=45183

Jai-Alai is the fastest with the ball travelling at 302kmph (188 mph). Now that's fast!

Hurley(pictured)[edit]

It says in the article that this is a goalkeepers hurl this is not the case, it is a hurl which is made in Cork and is clearly this by the "spoon" shape of it.--Iano200 17:16, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Famous Players[edit]

   * Christy Ring of Cork
   * Seán Óg Ó hAilpín of Cork
   * D.J. Carey of Kilkenny
   * Brian Lohan of Clare
   * Eddie Keher also of Kilkenny
   * John Doyle of Tipperary
   * Phil Grimes of Waterford
   * John Keane of Waterford
   * Mick Mackey of Limerick
   * Nicky Rackard of Wexford
   * Joe Cooney of Galway
   * Tony Reddin of Tipperary


Ok the above list the following should be listed

 * Christy Ring of Cork
 * D.J. Carey of Kilkenny
 * Nicky Rackard of Wexford

maybe's

* Seán Óg Ó hAilpín of Cork

the rest IMO should be removed . Please make a case for the inclusion of the others if you feel strongly about them. (Gnevin 01:16, 2 May 2006 (UTC))

This is a complete joke. There is no way Sean Og should be listed as he is still playing. Mick Mackey, John Keane and John Doyle are 3 of the greatest hurlers ever who have to be in the list. I'm now after altering it a bit. I've created 2 categories, one for present hurlers and one for former hurlers. As you might see I've added names to both lists. All of the former players I've listed have to be in there. To a lot of people, Mackey was a better hurler than even Ring. Same goes for John Keane.Niall123 15:56, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Am going to reset this list again ! and add a comment that players must be discussed before being added to the articial (Gnevin 23:35, 10 September 2006 (UTC))
Surely Ken McGrath should be included. One of the finest centre backs in Ireland. Far more famous than say Damien Fitzhenry. I'm also stunned that you've dropped Brendan Cummins instead of Fitzhenry as he's the finest goal keeper in Ireland. And under the title of "Famous Present Players" surely John Mullane should get a shout. He's instantly recognisable, has scored 3 goals in a Munster final and is known for his firery temper. Also add in the fact that Joe Deanes name was only added recently that it should also be removed from the list and only re-entered upon further discussion. I personally don't agree with his inclusion. Niall123 08:38, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Intro[edit]

Starting the topic with "Gaelic football is almost the same although it is more popular throughout Ireland,and is the most popular sport." doesn't seem necessary.

Secondly, Hurling also called stickfighting? I've played and followed hurling for 20 years and have never heard of that. It should be removed.

There is also no mention of the GAA in the introduction.

Map[edit]

Is Cork not in hurling's heartland? That map is misleading.

Agree changed to the orginial text for the map(Gnevin 21:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC))

Westmeath[edit]

Considering that Westmeath are a coming force in Hurling, how about changing the map to show Westmeath as a dual county ?

Westmeath is now getting bigger crowds at Hurling matches than Football. Niall123 15:46, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Nationalism[edit]

I just came back from the Gaelic Athletic Assocation museum at Croke Park, and to believe them, Hurling is a major nationalistic force responsible for the independence movement in Ireland succeeding etc etc. They placed much emphasis on the fact that certain military units used hurleys to drill with when they didn't have any rifles. Now, I don't know how much of all that is true, but it seems like there must be something to say on the subject? "Hurling and Irish national identity" or something? Stevage 17:03, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, in The Wind That Shakes the Barley the IRA lads in West Cork started off drilling with hurleys. Then they raided the British military and police barracks and got guns. 193.1.172.138 15:05, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Its true, but it was a Gaelic Athletic Association (not just Hurling) wide movement and involved the Gaelic League and Celtic Revival also. There's some information in these articles and also at History of Ireland (1801–1922). But more could be added. Seabhcán 16:58, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Purdue Delusions[edit]

I've taken out the following: "Purdue GAA has revolutionized the sport and brought many new facets to the game. The rest of the United States has followed suit and created clubs of its own. The sport is growing rapidly and challenges Ireland as the land of hurling supremecy."

This is blatent advertising, it is POV, and in most cases it is blatently untrue. Hurling clubs, including US-born clubs, have been around in the USA long before Purdue discovered the sport. We are a long way off the day when an American-born team is anywhere even close to challenging an inter-county team from Ireland.

Moved to correct place ,new comment go on the end not the top(Gnevin 14:03, 13 August 2006 (UTC))

--Eamonnca1 17:32, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


Where it's played[edit]

Someone says it's played primarily in the Republic or Ireland. Not true. It's played in the north too and Antrim, Derry, and Down have decent teams, Antrim being regarded as a hurling county. --Eamonnca1 17:08, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


Use of Gaelic[edit]

Re reverting gnevin's edit today. Putting gaelic words up first with their English translation in brackets is entirely appropriate regardless of whether or not this is en.wikipedia. Many Irish words are used in English, such as my name. It's not uncommon to refer to the ball as the 'sliothar' without speaking the whole sentence as gaelige. Page reverted. --Eamonnca1 22:24, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

While i argee its not usual for the ball to be called the sliothar , when cominded with sliothar and Camán its an expression that i've rearly heard . Its is generaly called a hurl or hurley . I belive my edit should stand (Gnevin 22:40, 21 August 2006 (UTC))

Position (team sports)[edit]

This evening I added team sports to the Position disambiguation and started to write the position (team sports) article. My start is mainly links to Wikipedia articles and sections. Perhaps it should eventually include a general discussion of something like player specialization.

From this article on hurling, I guess that goalkeeper and midfielder, at least, are specialized positions. (Each team has two midfielders who alone are eligible to contest the opening of play. Right?) Maybe position (team sports) can use a general characterization that fits several "Goalkeeper sports" (my term of the moment) and one that fits several "Server sports" (my term), where the particular sports can simply be listed. I'm not sure. Look at what I wrote for volleyball as a "server sport".

Cricket and the three biggest North American team sports all have one specialized articles devoted to field(ing) positions. Association/soccer football has that too. So I simply linked to those specialized articles. --P64 01:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Pictures of a Pitch[edit]

Both Hurling and Gaelic football need this. Most other sports have it. --Rulesfan 23:53, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

National Sport[edit]

I'm surprised this article does not include 'Hurling is the National sport of Ireland' ? as Baseball is the National sport of u.s.a and Cricket is the National sport of England (all bat & stick/hurl sports) not 'football' sports! ! There are plenty of Ref. on the 'net'. Culnacréann 18:24, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:Be bold and add it your self (Gnevin 23:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC))

I dont think hurling is the national sport of Ireland as handball is,this is what my mentors have told me but maybe your right. I dont play it but I do play hurling and gaelic football, my club have the pleasure of having one of the best in Ireland and the world at handball his name is Ricky McCann former Golden Gloves winner --McNoddy 09:15, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


Proposed major change[edit]

I think this article is in need of a cleanup. I'm recommending the following:

  • 'Game' section - Too much trivia and specifics. I'm pretty sure that the details in here could be dispersed to the sections below, this section should be a general description of how the game is played.
I'd suggest moving it up in to the intro (Gnevin 14:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC))
Made a change but I'm still not 100% happy with it. I think we need a section for the stick and a section for the sliothar. That way we can get all the nitty gritty details down and eventually remove them from the opening paragraph. --63.108.117.3 02:27, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
  • 'Rules' section - Teams should be replaced by a diagram. I think one has already been made for this purpose.
Done (Gnevin 14:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC))
  • 'History' - Spin history off into a stub of its own, replace the information here with a one or two paragraph summary
Agree (Gnevin 14:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC))
  • 'National and International' - Seems to be all about international. How about spinning this off into an article of its own and replacing this section with two or three paragraph a summary?
No really enough info a this these games are very low profile (Gnevin 14:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC))
Owe sorry your talking about south africa etc. yet spin these off (Gnevin 14:23, 5 January 2007 (UTC))

--Eamonnca1 20:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Images lined up?[edit]

Can someone get the images lined up along the right of the page? They're a bit scattered at the minute, cluttering the page up rather than adding to it. --Eamonnca1 02:12, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

They look better where they are in my opinion hense why i moved them (Gnevin 13:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC))
I'm gonna disagree with you there, the page is an awful mess with your eye having to constantly realign itself. It's as if the images were thrown on the page almost at random. It's look a whole lot better if they were lined up on the right. --Eamonnca1 18:28, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Move them back need to space them out better as it looks so cluttered now (Gnevin 22:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC))
Doesn't look one bit cluttered. I like them like that, grouped together and nicely aligned. --Eamonnca1 22:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
In my opinion it does look cluttered we need to
  • remove an image
  • align some left
  • space them out
(Gnevin 00:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC))
And I say again that it doesn't look cluttered, it only looks cluttered when some are on the left and some are on the right. They should all be neatly lined up on the right. I agree that one should be removed, I say get rid of the field layout because it's already included in the team line-out. --Eamonnca1 02:51, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Looks alot better now so much so that their is room for the layout image to be readded (Gnevin 13:08, 13 January 2007 (UTC))

Sorry if I am doing this wrong but I am new to this I have a real problem with "up to 150 km/h (93 mph) in speed and 110 metres (360.9 ft)" Too precise conversions to metric. Should be 90mph and 360 ft. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Co2ipe (talkcontribs) 20:43, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Square Ball[edit]

Can someone check the Square Ball rule? Is it the moment when the ball is played or the moment it enters the rectangle? --Eamonnca1 18:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

If the ball is played in the direction of the goals, an attacking player cannot be in the small square(rectangle) before the ball arrives. They can only enter the small square from the moment the ball enters the rectangle. Lmahony (talk) 14:38, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

R.E. Fastest Sport[edit]

Hurling is the fastest field team ball sport. Ice hockey is played on ice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smileysmileylaura (talkcontribs) 21:22, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Picture[edit]

The picture is a very poor example of hurling, KK vs Wexford in a near empty Croke Park, change it to something from an All-Ireland final or Semple Stadium when it's full. Come on the Leinster "Chapionship" is such a joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.69.198.242 (talk) 11:44, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

We are limited by Copyright issues here . If you have a copyright free image which is better than please add it Gnevin (talk) 12:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
There's now no picture of a game in progress at all. This is a serious omission, and needs to be corrected fast. Even a photo of a recreational game would be better than nothing. 86.132.142.207 (talk) 16:54, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Argentina.[edit]

Hurling is still played in Argentina, like this video shows: [1]. --Santista1982 (talk) 16:27, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


Land quality and "hurling constituencies"[edit]

Does anybody know the study and its author/authors who examined 18th or 19th century Munster and made the association between good land, strong hurling tradition and an ambitious Catholic tenantry and Protestant landlord support for hurling? There definitely must be something to add about this important historical factor in hurling demography. Dunlavin Green (talk) 11:53, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Timekeeping[edit]

Article says stoppage time is added after each half. It's only added at the end of the second half, right? --Eamonnca1 (talk) 17:56, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Wrong —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.141.121.35 (talk) 12:18, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Dublin[edit]

shouldn't Dublin be included as at least a dual county?

--Gramscis cousinTalkStalk 09:20, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Inter-county?[edit]

Hello,

in Officials ([[2]]) it is written, that Standby linesman are only in inter-county games. Is it right or should it be inter-country?

Thanks, Cleverle (talk) 12:46, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Counties contesting championship[edit]

I can see how the old map, which indicated which counties were "dominant" in one code over another and which were dual, could be construed as WP:OR and I supported its deletion. However the new version simply indicates which counties contest which championships. These are all verifiable facts and I don't think this map constitutes OR. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 21:25, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, should of read the caption. Yeah this is fine Gnevin (talk) 22:30, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

On a related note, should the map read "Londonderry". Whatever the rights and wrongs of the county name, the Football and Hurling teams are surely Derry/Doire? Can someone correct that? (Stpaul (talk) 15:01, 8 August 2011 (UTC))

Contradiction in rules[edit]

The lead section has two contradictory rules:

  1. ball may be "carried for not more than four steps, ...
  2. "A player who wants to carry the ball for more than three steps ..."

The first implies that 4 steps is the maximum; the latter implies that 3 steps is the maximum. Which is it? --Noleander (talk) 21:50, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

It's 4. Fixed. Thanks. --Eamonnca1 TALK 23:10, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Reference to Baiting[edit]

The article currently states: "Baiting people is allowed ". What is meant by this? Kmc25 1 (talk) 12:42, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I'd appreciate it as well if a knowledgeable person were to put a few words into the article to let the world know what "baiting" is. I can find enough referendes to it in places that should know, such as the GAA website, to feel sure that the term is one that is actually used, but I haven't been able to find out anything more. The hints I have suggest that it may involve maneuvering another player away from the ball, perhaps by deception. More, please! Poihths (talk) 12:54, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

"Baiting" people?[edit]

The text includes this sentence: "Baiting people is allowed although body-checking or shoulder-charging is illegal. " What does "baiting" mean in this context? If this is a legitimate word here, it should be explained as it's not obvious to the naive reader (such as myself) what it means. If it is vandalism, someone should correct it. --108.193.6.203 (talk) 16:51, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Google search page as source?[edit]

One of the footnotes for the phrase "is thought to be the world's fastest field team game in game play" is a link to "Google search results for "hurling fastest field game"". It's a semi-dead link today: it just sends you to an "advanced" search on Google News. It looks like it was a search for the two phrases "hurling" and "fastest field game". (Today, the top hit on google.com for "fastest field game" is *this* page.)

Even if the link still worked (and it's not hard to fix), is that sufficient for a source? Can I search for a phrase, find some hits, and use it to declare something on Wikipedia to be "thought to be" described by that catch-phrase? That seems kind of sketchy to me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.185.161.246 (talk) 21:26, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Wording seems wrong/incorrect on intro[edit]

Hurling (Irish: Iománaíocht/Iomáint) is an outdoor team game of ancient Gaelic and Irish origin, administered by the Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA). The game has prehistoric origins, has been played for over 3,000 years

Is it necessary to put both Gaelic and Irish? My understanding would be that Gaelic is the culture and Ireland the island, so would Irish not be suffice? Also the game has pre-historic origins would this not make Gaelic origin redundant, as the pre-historic culture of Ireland is not usually termed Gaelic? Thanks. 195.162.87.201 (talk) 11:55, 28 March 2014 (UTC)