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molecules that ??prefer?? non polar molecules! Poor anthropomorphic description imho. Bad science in fact. Should be corrected. Anyone?


Hydrophile water lover. The opposite of a water lover is a hydrophobe, a person suffering hydrophobia. Your discussion of these and related words is focussing on the chemical meaning which are correct. However if your explanation of hydrophobia is correct, then my interpretation of hydrophile, a person who loves the water, is also correct. Bibliophile a person who loves books. Logophile a person who loves words, which is what I am and no doubt you are too. I have written a nautical dictionary and I have put the following in my dictionary Hydrophile a lover of water and aquatic activities. I accept that the later may be a slight amplification. www.xtreme.net/mewburn mewburn@xtreme.net

Cheers Gray Graham Mewburn

Pictures[edit]

It would be nice to get some pictures like these: [1] [2] [3]Omegatron 18:54, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Lipophilic redirects to hydrophobic[edit]

"Hydrophobic is often used interchangeably with "lipophilic". However, the two terms are not synonymous." In light of this, perhaps lipophilic shouldn't redirect to hydrophilic ;) I'm still unclear on the difference between lipophilia and hydrophilia dikaiopolis 03:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


Anthropomorphic[edit]

Added an anthropomorphism section. Not brave enough to edit the existing "Chemical background" but some of it reads very wrongly.

e.g. "Water is electrically polarized, and is able to form hydrogen bonds internally, which gives it many of its unique physical properties. But, since hydrophobes are not electrically polarised, and because they are unable to form hydrogen bonds, water repels hydrophobes, in favour of bonding with itself."

This sounds pretty much like drivel to me. There are hydrogen bonds and Van-der-Waals and interactions between.

Maybe its been left because its peripheral to proper chemistry. Walworth 00:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

For chemicals there are substructure based prediction methods[edit]

Substructure based prediction methods are called group contribution methods and a couple of fragments and SMARTS patterns for creating an example can be found here. A potential reference is Corwin Hansch, Alka Kurup, Rajni Garg, Hua Gao, Chem-Bioinformatics and QSAR: A Review of QSAR Lacking Positive Hydrophobic Terms, Chem. Rev. 2001, 101, 619-672. JKW 03:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

move to hydrophobicity[edit]

This is the term for the property.--Urthogie 18:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps. In that case isomer should move to isomerism too. Richard001 07:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Repelled[edit]

I think this word gives the wrong impression. Water is more 'attracted' to water than hydrophobic molecules, but I don't believe it is 'repelled' by it - it is more just 'left out' because water 'likes' itself more. 'Excluded' might be a better word. I know it's referenced, but even so, I don't trust such a wording. Richard001 07:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


I agree completely as in my biochemistry lecture it was explained that it is more energetically beneficial for the water molecules to form hydrogen bonds with one another. Since hydrophobic molecules cannot form these hydrogen bonds it is not beneficial for a water molecule to be near a hydrophobic molecule. That way, hydrophobic molecules are indeed 'excluded' and forced together so that the surface area of hydrophobic molecules near water molecules is limited as much as possible. 137.224.232.22 (talk) 20:51, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

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Hydrophobic Interaction[edit]

The page for Hydrophobic Interaction redirects to this page. I think it might be worthwhile to illustrate the importance of hydrophobic interaction in Biology and Genetics (as in many of the processes of DNA), something that the current page doesn't do as well as I think it could. I think it might help to create a separate Hydrophobic Interaction (Biology) or (Genetics) page to reflect this. Tracy2214 (talk) 02:06, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

External link[edit]

To user 94.68.87.246 (talk · contribs):

Wikipedia is not a web directory of "dedicated" webpages. It is encyclopedia. We need text, with references to reliable sources, not links to websites of unknown credibility. Also, self-promotion is not encouraged. - Altenmann >t 21:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Do what you want - I thought it would be a very useful link right on subject - if not then so be it. --94.68.87.246 (talk) 14:37, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Once again, please don't be offended, but there are zillions of links on the net, and many of them are useful. What wikipedia needs is content. - Altenmann >t 15:18, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
I am not - no worries. Just unclear to me what external links are for if not for something like that. My experience with wikipedia is that often it is the combination of great content and relevant links that stands out and make it a great web site. --94.68.87.246 (talk) 15:23, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
In the early days of wikipedia when articles were created in haste and in big quantities, often lack of content was compensated by throwing in links, so that next fellow editor will use them and update the article. Now wikipedia became more mature and the preferable use of external links is to serve as footnotes which provide references for article text, per policies wikipedia:verifiability and WP:CITE. The text about superhydrophobicity+Lotus effect is large enough. Are there any additional facts which the website in question adds to it? If yes, please add them to wikipedia. - Altenmann >t 15:29, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

silicone contradiction[edit]

From the entry for silicone:

 # Though not a hydrophobe, the ability to repel water and form watertight seals.

From the entry for hydrophone:

 While hydrophobic substances are usually lipophilic, there are exceptions—such as the silicones and fluorocarbons

So, is silicone hydrophobic or not? The answer depends on which article you read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikitlo (talkcontribs) 20:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

I think the mistake is in the silicone article and have tagged it. --SpecMade (talk) 00:39, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Applications section deletion[edit]

I have deleted the following section:

== Applications ==
Applications of the hydrophobic effect include windshield treatments,such as NOC on Glass [1], on rifle scopes and it has uses in advanced chemistry and physics.

This section does not have any properly referenced information (as the source refers to headlamps, not windshields), and the "such as" statement has been repeatedly edited in a advertising war. If there will be any referenced applications listed on this page, I think that they should be included in the lead rather than having a one sentence section.

Please do not revert this change without making your case here. Thank you, Mutinus (talk) 20:28, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

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  1. ^ Sayer, Mefford, Nakata (2002): "Hydrophobic Treatment of Glass Headlamp Lenses and the Effect on Light Output." University of Michigan's Transportation Research Institute: 14. [4]