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- 1 The
- 2 Sexual addiction
- 3 Nymphomania
- 4 Vague, meaningless phrase
- 5 You sure?
- 6 Sexual addiction vs. Hypersexuality
- 7 Trivia
- 8 Etymology
- 9 Causes?
- 10 Pubertal hypersexuality
- 11 Redirect
- 12 Facts and figures (introduction)
- 13 Berlusconi?
- 14 "...douches to the head or breasts..."
- 15 Personality disorders
- 16 US-Data
- 17 Epidemiology WTF
- 18 Article purpose and focus
The proper conjugation is: "I am erotic, you are kinky, they are perverted." :-) --Baylink 14:40, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hypersexuality, we think should be more like feeling overly high sexual preferences or havin really high expectations of ones sexual preferences...
Oh no! Now all the sexual addiction stuff has been dropped into this , folks, hypersexuality is a well-recognized medical phenomenon and symptom of several conditions (not least, bipolar mania), whereas the very existence of sexual addiction is questionable.
Splitting into two articles. -- Karada 23:07, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I am going to change the redirect from Sex addict to Sex addiction rather than here. --Waterspyder 23:01, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
In my job at the University doing sex education, there has been a marked increase of the use of nymphomania in literature since 1995 to mean a person (typically woman) who does not feel gratified or fulfilled after sex. Basically, despite having wonderful sex lives, and despite being able to achieve orgasm, these people are still not psychologically fulfilled after sexual activity. This is a very different meaning from the 1950s usage. --Waterspyder 22:48, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
==> TBQH it sounds a little dumb to me to equate THAT disorder with a person who is HYPER or VERY sexual. It makes sense that a hypersexual person would be extremely happy and fulfilled after sex... it's just that soon they would really want sex again. Kind of like taking a drug... of course they're going to be happy for a while. Why I don't think it fits in "sex addiction" is because some people may not be having sex but still be hypersexual. So I think you can see my point... The cynacist in me is saying that the ridiculous definition that oh "a hypersexual person is not satisfied after sex"... stems from powers that do not want people to be overly sexual and do not want people to think it's "cool" or "acceptable" to be hypersexual... so it is cast in a negative light.. they say that even after sex that person isn't satisfied at all.
- It can also be argued that the original nymphomania was in fact a non-disease: Women were in the past often perceived as naturally low in libido (compared to men), something which simply is not true (although the female sexuality often has different triggers than the male). Correspondingly, most of the nymphos of old were likely just women displaying a healthy and normal sexuality, as opposed to a repressed and shameful one. Notably, even today, a natural expression of sexuality in a woman often brings an unfair stigma of "slut".188.8.131.52 (talk) 16:50, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Vague, meaningless phrase
- Hypersexuality describes human sexual behavior at levels high enough to be considered clinically significant.
What does "clinically significant" mean? Is it a circumlocution or euphemism for "bad" or "harmful" or "too much"?
Is this sentence, which attempts to define the topic, trying to "say without saying" that too much sex is bad for you? If not, then what is it trying to say? And if we can figure out what it's trying to say, why not come out and say it?
Was it Yoda or Mr. Miyagi who said, "There is no try: there is only DO or NOT DO"? (In The Karate Kid Daniel-san was told not to say, "I guess so" about learning karate: either karate learn yes or karate learn no - something like that.) Elabro 14:43, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
- Not to be mean, Elabro, but the above statement is kind of absurd, no? When your argument devolves into a mixture of Yoda quotes and Mr. Miyagi quotes, perhaps it's time to stop watching 1980's movies and start reading books, or something. ;-) Hermitage 03:12, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
- Well, if it weren't for the fact that DSM-IV (the American union of psychiatrists, no doubt also influenced by the heavy Christian fundamentalism over there) categorise this as a "medical problem", I'm pretty sure there wouldn't be an article here...
- --Chaosfeary 15:08, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
- Clinically significant would mean physically significant (like chaffing from extensive secxual activity), or pshychologically significant (such as an inability to focus on work or school due to focus on sex). U$er 18:26, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
- And just as a note, it was Yoda: "Do or do not. There is no try." ~ PHDrillSergeant...§ 17:07, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
-The term Nymphomania initially came from 19th Century Germany, where women in the middle class would rend their clothing and seek intercourse with men uncontrollably. It definitely impaired their abiltiy to live a normal life, though the fact that it seemed to only occur in the middle classes led some to speculate that it might have been more from social repression instead of an actual medical condition. For more information, check out "Sex, Religion, and the Making of Modern Madness: The Eberback Asylum and German Society, 1815-1849" by Ann Goldberg. Robbini 15:45. 02 May 2006 (UTC)
-hypersexuality or nymphomania does not refer to an above average libido. It is usually used to describe a person with an uncontrolled urge to have sex often without being able to get any satisfaction from it. think of it like eating all the time but never being full. I'm kinda new to this and don't know if this is how it is done...sorry in advance -- Random Reader 18:57. 04 February 2006 (PST)
- I'd always got the impression that hypersexuality & nymphomania means an above average libido Mathmo Talk 06:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
-What is "above average"? I know gals who pick up guys, mostly strangers, professional businessmen, once a week or so for sex. That seems way above average to me but they say that's normal behavior. They like intercourse and enjoy orgasms and as attractive. intelligent women, they have that outlet readily available. One told me that she had slept with several hundred guys over the years but wasn't sure of the exact number (She was about 35 at the time). Another said that she had never turned down a chance to have sex and "lives for her orgasms". Once we saw a magazine survey that suggested that the average thirty-something, single woman had 15 or 20 partners, about 1 or 2 a year. She said, "Oh my, only 20?" and blushed. Every woman who has hinted at such a high libido, when I've slept with them, has proven to be excellent in bed with a physical and sensual intensity that is beyond average. When asked why she didn't get married, one said that she could not imagine being limited to one guy for the rest of her life, although the thought of having sex every day did appeal to her. She added, "but what if sex gets boring with him? I'd be stuck." The other common theme was that they did not want to have children, although two did. -kh
Our experience of hypersexuality related to a bipolar manic phase; Partner's need for sex, constantly, for a period of days. This is not a desire, or a more frequent wanting of sex. It is an absolute need, constant through all waking hours and preventing the sleep of both of us while it lasts, as the partner's need for sex causes her not to be able to sleep for want of sex, and my not being able to sleep due to her constant demands. Partner also orgasms almost constantly at times, for long periods of time, disabling her to the point where she can't leave the house or even walk a few yards. Partner will masturbate while not having sex, will ask constantly for sex, will incessantly masturbate while walking around the house, asking for sex in the most blatant terms. This is not just a healthy liking for sex. This is not someone who likes a few sexual partners. This is not someone who doesn't reach orgasm regularly and frequently and who is unfulfilled sexually. This is a bout of hypersexuality. It has nothing to do with being satisfied or otherwise. jj —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 07:50, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
"Hypersexuality can be a symptom of bipolar disorder and is generally associated with the manic phase of the disease."
Isn't hypersexuality more of a disorder? Seeing as there are no known viruses or bacteria which cause it, it really isn't a 'disease'. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) .
Neurosyphilis (an invasion of the brain and nervosu system by the syphilis spirochete bacteria) can result in hypersexuality. 19:47, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Bipolar disorder is definitely a disease ("an abnormal condition of the body or mind that causes discomfort, dysfunction, or distress to the person afflicted or those in contact with the person"), not merely a behavior disorder: for example, there are measurable correlations with specific types of neurological damage, and drugs have significantly greater effectiveness compared to placebo in double-blind trials. It's just not (as far as we know) an infectious disease. -- Karada 13:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Do we want to cross-reference these two: Sexual addiction vs. Hypersexuality? Are these terms synonymous? Explain similarities and differences? Saaraleigh 14:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC) (Hi, please forgive me as a new user to wikipedia, but I needed to chime in. See this explaining myself bit, this is "proof" that I was recently diagnosed with bipolar disorder) I came on wikipedia to learn more about hypersexuality because I experienced it for the first time in my life during/after the manic episode I just had. This wikipedia entry is missing the boat in a big way. I am in no way a sex addict, even though I love sex. In fact, I haven't had sex in about 5 years and I still felt incredibly hypersexual (age 31). To me, it is a feeling and like waves coming over me and an enhanced awareness of my body. It made me want to study tantra in order to control my breath and my feelings and to find a partner who is as intune. So, I would describe hypersexuality as enhanced/intense/increased awareness of the body and it's sexual nature. I wonder if there is connection to testosterone. It makes me feel very female and in search of someone very male. And of course since I don't objectify people, it leads me spiritually to the desire to connect with someone on all levels which leads me to want to look for a lover/husband in an immediate way. I hope this helps someone with their write up! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 04:30, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
I am removing the "trivia" section, which contains several assertions with absolutely no citation that seem to fly in the face of modern medicine (e.g., that "people who have sex frequently for extended periods may develop hypersexuality"). If these "facts" can be cited, replace them and do so; otherwise, leave the pseudoscience off of the page. --HarmonicFeather 22:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
What is the current state of research on the causes of this condition? I.e. is it typically the result of past trauma, is it at all heritable, etc. Hermitage 14:01, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Bipolarity is a chemical imbalance so if you believe that is the cause of hyper-sexuality then the cause is medical/chemical. I'm hypersexual and it isn't the result of any sort of trauma or bad event I have always been like this. Mania induces heightened senses it's like a drug. It's only like an addiction because it is hard to find partners that can keep up with the libido of middle aged nympho.
What can you say about pubertal hypersexuality - from 12 to 20 years with peak at 15-17 years. Looks like this is not a pathological condition, but there is no mention about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 12:07, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Why does "Nympho" redirect here? I could see "Nymphomania" redirecting here, but nympho isn't right, if there's an article called "nympho" it should redirect to "nymphomaniac". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 16:57, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
- Nympho is short for nymphomaniac. Both those, and similar, redirect to this article. We don't want double redirects. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 16:40, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Facts and figures (introduction)
In the first section of the article it says that hypersexuality "is very common in such countries as Serbia, Poland and especially Romania." This might be true, but I would like to see a reference to the source of this information. Without it, the information provided is not only unreliable, but also offensive to nationals of the countries mentioned. Note also that this claim is absent from the corresponding Wikipedia articles in other languages. The only other article that features any data concerning the prevalence of hypersexuality in particular geographical areas is the German one (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypersexualit%C3%A4t), containing the relevant estimates related to the USA and Germany. However, even there it is explicitly stated that "zur Häufigkeit des Vorkommens gibt es bislang keine repräsentativen Erhebungen" ['so far there have been no representative investigations concerning the frequency of occurrence [of the condition]'].
Could someone please improve this lamentable state of affairs? I am unfortunately not an expert in pathology, but I strongly believe that it is a shame for a serious encyclopaedia to feature such unsubstantiated claims, which do no other job but offend the reader.
"Italian Prime Minister Hypersexuality Disorder. Associated conditions: the name must be Silvio Berlusconi, must be over 70yo, billionaire, separated and own TV networks. Several million people of Latin origin think this is not a disorder but a superior genetic code, good diet and love for life." Removed, although I agree with the claim (I'm latin). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 18:18, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
"...douches to the head or breasts..."
- It's neither a typo or vandalism. I've checked the source given and that is indeed what it says. As for what it exactly means, I have no idea. But it does appear to be a reliable source. There is only one problem and that is a mis-citation - the "douche" quote is not given by the author referenced but rather by an academic at the University of Texas at Austin (confusion seems to come from the fact that this individual themselves cited the referenced author several times but not in relation to "douches to the head or breasts"). I will correct this myself presently by rewriting the citation. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹Speak 23:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Hypersexuality exists in people who have borderline personality disorder and / or histrionic personality disorder at a much higher rate than it does in the general population. Can those, or any other PDs, cause hypersexuality? Alternatively, is it the case that those cases are due to bipolar disorder, which is comorbid with BPD and HPD? 220.127.116.11 (talk) 16:40, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Quote from the article: "3 to 5 percent of the US population may be hypersexual". End quote.
This paragraph suggests that only 1.9% of adult males masturbate daily. And by implication of the context of the page that that constitutes hypersexuality??? Am I going mad or is that the most clueless thing ever. Does it also lead to hairy palms and blindness? WTF is going on with this article? who wrote this? 18.104.22.168 (talk) 23:07, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
- I had similar thoughts on reading this article. However, Wikipedia is not a place for original research or for a search for truth; it is an encyclopaedia, where we report the current state of research on things like this. And it seems the current state of research is not that great.
- For instance, it's interesting to note that hyposexuality is defined as a lack of sexual desire which causes distress or interpersonal problems. It looks to me like hypersexuality should be similarly defined; an excessive sexual desire which causes problems, rather than simply a way-above-average sexual desire. If a couple both have above-average desire and want to go at it twice a day then what's the problem? Lucky sods!
- But, as I say, this is an encyclopaedia and we don't report our opinions or our own experience of life; we report what the reliable sources say. GoldenRing (talk) 12:25, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Article purpose and focus
Hi all, it seems that this article might have lost its way a bit and I think we can work together to get it back on track. My first question is what is hypersexuality? Rather than a clear and concise answer to that question, this article seems to have far outgrown the answer and become a hodgepodge of people's proposed definitions. Let's bring it back to the sources. From the sources provided, I believe there is good evidence to support hypersexuality as: 1) Hypersexuality - A term sometimes used in medical literature that refers to a display of sexuality that is beyond what the author would consider normal. 2) Hypersexual disorder - The proposed and rejected title of a psychiatric disorder. Where accepted, it appears to be synonomous with Sex Addiction. Rustandbone (talk) 05:08, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
After another few reads and small edits, I believe we need to decide what the hypersexuality this article describes refers to. If it refers to the addiction or compulsion, we should simply redirect this page to Sexual Addiction. If it refers to the dictionary definition, an occasionally used to described a symptom in medical articles, we should cut out all mention of addiction or compulsion, outside of one section that references Sexual addiction. As it currently stands, this article is simply a poor clone of the one on Sexual addiction. Rustandbone (talk) 05:31, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
- Rustandbone, considering that hypersexuality is WP:Notable in its own right, and its existence is not nearly as debated as the existence of sexual addiction is (that is, when it's not defined as a synonym of sexual addiction), I'm not sure that it should be redirected to and/or merged with the Sexual addiction article.
- Regarding your edits to the article: With this edit, you added a Definition section with a dictionary definition; however, per Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine) (WP:MEDRS), we should generally stick to high-quality medical sources for this article, even for the Definitions section. When dealing with societal perceptions or history, that's a different matter and, as made clear by WP:MEDRS, WP:MEDRS-compliant sourcing is not as important in those cases. With this edit, you stated, "Beginning to eliminate discussion to hypersexuality disorder outside of the addiction and compulsion sections." Why did you delete that? In this edit, you stated, "Removed 'Treatment' section, as that appears to refer to Sexual addiction." But as those sources show, including their titles, they are about hypersexuality. That Kingston source is even a review on the matter, which is definitely the type of source that WP:MEDRS prefers. With this edit, you stated, "Deleting - This sources a 25 year old paper that seems to contradict the modern definition of addiction by DSM, as quoted elsewhere on this page." But in cases like that, this is why we are supposed to have a History section; see WP:MEDMOS#Sections. I see that the article currently has a Historical uses section.
- I will contact WP:Med to weigh in on this discussion. It would also be good for psychologist/sexologist James Cantor, who has edited the Hypersexuality article, to weigh in on this; so therefore, I've pinged him via WP:Echo with this post. Flyer22 (talk) 07:24, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
- This edit also is not good, considering that Wikipedia, per WP:Not a dictionary, is not a dictionary and the lead, per WP:Lead, should summarize the article. This article, though it addresses terminology, is supposed to be about the concept, not the term. Also see the WP:Refers essay. I'm tempted to revert all or the majority of your edits until we get more opinions on these matters. Flyer22 (talk) 07:52, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
- Flyer22, I appreciate your help and feedback. I agree that the term deserves its own article and should not be merged into Sexual Addiction. In regard to the dictionary definition, I did not see any medical source that clearly and definitively defined the term, only journal articles that referred to it as a symptom. Given that there is some evidence of medical disagreement over the definition, and even existence, of the term, I reverted to the dictionary definition. If you feel there is a more authoritative medical source that defines it, please feel free to use that. In regard to using the term to refer to all manner of Sexual Addiction and Hypersexual Disorder, I moved all material referring to it as an addiction or compulsion into the dedicated section, where before it was scattered throughout the article. Similarly, I moved all mention of clinical treatment into a section that specifically presents hypersexuality as a symptom of a range of disorders. The twenty five year old paper that you are referring to was being used as a current source that contradicted more current sources. I think a well sourced history section would be a fine place to put it, along with the paper from the deprecated 'historical uses' section that, at the time, was only referencing a single article. That article has since been integrated into the overview. It would be wonderful if an expert, like Dr Cantor, would contribute to this article.
- The term that this article refers to has a contested medical definition and is often confused with a related proposed disorder, which has its own Wikipedia page. When I began working on this article, it had reached a level of disorder that had earned it a copyedit tag. I edited the article to separate hypersexuality as a concept, a proposed disorder, and a medical symptom. I worked hard to make give the article a coherent flow and a logically structured body. Since I have made these edits, two other editors have contributed their own improvements, eventually resulting in a more useful article and removal of the copyedit tag (not removed by myself). Rather than undoing everyone's hard work and reverting back to a copyedit-tagged state that no one was happy with, might I recommend that you feel free to make original additions that address the areas that you are concerned with to help further improve the article. I'm sure that working together, we can continue making meaningful improvements to this important subject. Rustandbone (talk) 00:17, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Maladaptive non-drug-related behaviors, whether they be compulsive (i.e., addictive), obsessive, or otherwise excessive to the point of concern, aren't well characterized clinically yet. Consequently, there won't be any consensus on a precise medical statement in the literature as to what constitutes "hypersexuality". That said, it's certainly not a fringe concept, since maladaptive sexual behavior is well documented in humans (e.g., drug-induced and drug-unrelated compulsive sexual behavior, in both genders) - the term "hypersexuality" just doesn't have an clinical association with a specific/precise form or pattern of maladaptive sexual behavior yet (it differs from the term "sexual addiction" in this respect, since an addiction is a precisely-defined pattern of maladaptive [compulsive] behavior). At present, it's probably best to keep the scope of this article broad to account for the imprecise definition of the term. Seppi333 (Insert 2¢ | Maintained) 01:04, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, folks. I'm glad to see interest in this article. If I am understanding the discussion properly, I believe I largely agree with Flyer. Different authors use this term in different (but overlapping) ways. Because "hypersexuality" is the most neutral of terms in wide-spread use, I believe it's the best place for an overview, with links to other pages where more detail is needed. That is, I'd return to the page the basic descriptions of the sex addiction model (and compulsion model, etc.) of hypersexuality and refer readers to the sex addiction articles (etc.) in the appropriate section headers.— James Cantor (talk) 09:37, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you for joining the discussion, James Cantor. Might you be able to highlight the different uses of this term, so that we might capture the full breadth of it in the article? The usages I have been able to identify so far are:
- A Behavior - Before adding in any clinical description of the greater meaning or cause for the behavior, there is simply the observation of an individual display of sexuality that the individual or an outside observer might describe as excessive (hyper), while others might state is normal human behavior.
- A Symptom - Clinicians might use the above behavior as an observed symptom, to indicate the presence of an underlying condition they can demonstrate or hypothesize to be responsible for the behavior.
- A Disorder - Clinicians might propose that certain manifestations of the behavior can constitute its own disorder, compulsion, or addiction. This entry would encompass both the description of the proposed disorder, as well as the title of any proposed or accepted submissions for the disorder to the major mental healthcare professional organizations. Further discussion of this topic, such as proposed models, pathology, and treatments can simply refer to either or both of two existing pages on the subject, specifically Sexual addiction and Hypersexual disorder. (Personally, I feel Sexual addiction is the superior article.)
- In light of the three proposed usages, do you feel that one of them is inappropriate, poorly described, or that another usage is missing? Thank you again for your time and effort. I'm looking forward to working together to achieve the best article possible. Rustandbone (talk) 14:14, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you for joining the discussion, James Cantor. Might you be able to highlight the different uses of this term, so that we might capture the full breadth of it in the article? The usages I have been able to identify so far are: