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- 1 Content comments
- 2 "best known"
- 3 Quotes
- 4 Egghunt
- 5 Wife?
- 6 Rm garbage
- 7 Repeated Vandalism
- 8 Pronunciation, and full name
- 9 Death
- 10 WikiProject class rating
- 11 External link suggestion: Article about Ian MacKaye & Thurston Moore's Q&A/discussion at the 2008 Brooklyn Book Festival
- 12 Q & A with Ian Mackaye: 10 1 2008 (removed)
- 13 Veg*n?
- 14 Orphaned references in Ian MacKaye
shouldn't this page mention something about the whole guilty of being white bullshit? 184.108.40.206 16:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
when one searches for "straight edge" it says Straight edge is neither a philosophy nor derived from any religion. and when you visit the Ian MacKaye link it says he is thought the founder of the straight edge philosophy. No offence but that sounds quite contradictory. just so you would know. one might get confused.
elisabeth de vos, Belgium
Besides that, having that sentence there is out-of-place considering a) the rest of the section doesn't talk about it and b) the next section down focuses entirely on the straight edge philosophy and McKaye's influence on it. That section can speak for itself without McKaye having to be peacocked as being the inventor of the straight edge movement.Wayman975 20:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Do MacKaye's smaller projects like Egg Hunt, Skewbald, and Pailhead warrant mentioning? Admittedly, some of these bands only had about 2 songs, but it'd be a shame not to mention tham anyway. -R. fiend
Not really worth mentioning, but I get so excited to see his name in encylopedias. Truly a man worthing mentioning. Historical in the realm of sub-culture and novel ideas.
Emily, Massachusetts, US
If anyone's interested in Ian's intentions with "Guilty of being white", here we go... 
I just reworded the first sentence to read (abbrev.) "... is best known as the singer of three bands, and as the founder of Dischord Records," rather than the other way around, because he's much better known for Fugazi and Minor Threat, I feel. (This isn't intended as an edit summary, discuss it if you like). Thatcrazycommie 16:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. I wouldn't consider anything other than Minor Threat or Fugazi well-known enough for him to be "known for." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 08:08, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Mackaye is well known for his stage banter (at least during Minor Threat and Fugazi) - maybe some of these jokes and stuff should be quoted...
I agree, I saw The Evens last night, and he was hilarious. Any quotes I could come up with would be paraphrases, but it should mention his stage personality. Thatcrazycommie 16:20, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
Egg hunt is important as it's the first band with Ian playing guitar. Also, both of those songs were excellent and they did tour.
Is Amy Farina Ian's wife? If so, that is definitely news to me. I know that Ian is very secretive when in comes to his personal life, so I would like to know where that info came from.
I see that someone removed the "wife" tag from Amy Farina. I'm okay with leaving her as simply drummer and member of The Evens, without implicating her relationship with Ian. But I will leave you with this: according to an first hand accound, Henry Rollins (a very good friend of Ian and someone who would actually know) has mentioned that Amy is Ian's girlfriend during his spoken-word act.
L pour soi 06:59, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
I removed the following text from the article as being unencyclopedic.
(rhymes with "eye" not with "hay")
If someone wants to put a pronounciation in there, be my guest.Mitch 19:06, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Over the past few days, people have been vandalizing this page repeatedly with the text "In an ironic twist of fate, MacKaye died of a heroin overdose in his Washington, D.C. home on March (enter date here), 2007." The main offenders are SXeSuX and IP address 18.104.22.168. This is starting to get ridiculous, as a bunch of vandal edits have been reversed since the 16th of March, and I have warned SXeSuX on the user talk page. Is there anything else that can be done to protect this page? TheLetterM 00:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- Nevermind, the vandal's been banned, so I guess that settles it for now. TheLetterM 22:56, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Pronunciation, and full name
I feel it is worthwhile to show the proper pronunciation of his last name, as I would estimate more than half the people I've ever heard pronounce it over the last twenty years got it wrong. (Wrong: rhyming with "Hay." Right: rhyming with "sky".) >>Can someone on here with a better understanding than mine of the -- Wikipedia: Manual of Style - pronunciation -- reformat it correctly please? (The best I could do was to do it phonetically: "pronounced Muh-KAI.")
Source on correct pronunciation is this interview with MacKaye: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/talk/nightwatch/brace990820.htm
>NW DC: Does the "Kaye" in MacKaye rhyme with "guy" or "way"? Sorry, but I was pronouncing "Picciotto" incorrectly for a long time, and I don't want to be wrong about this, too.
Ian MacKaye: it rhymes with sky.<
Also, source for full name (Ian Thomas Garner MacKaye) and confirmation of the pronunciation in above interview is MacKaye saying his full name at the beginning of the deleted scenes on the DVD extras of the documentary film "DIY or DIE: Burn this DVD." (DVD version of "DIY or DIE: How to survive as an Independent Artist.")
In American hardcore, Henry Rollins pronunces it "mc-eye"
- Thought I just could add this; In this Nardwuar interview on YouTube himself pronouces it as Mac-EYE. Bricklayer (talk) 19:19, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to remove the reference to his death until it's confirmed by a credible news source. The version I've heard has several pointers to it being fake, chiefly the one about Fugazi playing a show (seeing as they broke up, sorry "went on hiatus" five years ago). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brinepacer (talk • contribs) 21:17, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- Exactly. I don't see anything in the music press as of now. If this is true, someone should at least post a link to a source verifying it. WesleyDodds 21:59, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- Also, ventura theatre is in california...and brunswick, nj and baltimore, ML are about 150 miles apart...it doesnt makes sense.
[by vegan alex at 6:03PM EST october 2nd 2007]
- There's nothing on Dischord records' site that indicates MacKaye died, nor does any news of this happening seem to be cropping up. I ran WHOIS checks on the IPs but they don't correspond to any single location, most likely internet messageboard trolls having stupid fun. TheLetterM 22:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
This doesn't seem to be stopping anytime soon, I've requested that this article be protected. TheLetterM 22:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, this is getting batshit fucking insane. If people are still vandalizing the page even after page protection, I may move to Full-protection. TheLetterM 22:45, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Here's a Baltimore Sun article confirming he's not dead: http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/critics/blog/2007/10/ian_mackaye_is_alive_elvis_is.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 22:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Now that the article's unprotected, does anyone think that the whole death hoax thing is notable and warrants placement on the article? Granted, people have posted long before this fiasco that Ian MacKaye was dead, but this one was huge- the main reference here is the Baltimore Sun article, and the incident forced Dischord Records to post on their website confirming MacKaye was alive. Should we add a section here or should we just forget the whole thing ever happened? TheLetterM 22:23, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
I physically saw him today and heard him speak at a punk event in DC. --Jaysonwhelpley 05:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 15:36, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
As an editor at Crawdaddy!, and to comply with COI guidelines, I am not posting the link to this article about Ian MacKaye and Thurston Moore's talk at this year's Brooklyn Book Festival. However, I would like to recommend it on its merits, and hope that an editor will find the time to examine the piece and—if he or she sees fit—post it to the external links section. The article gives a very detailed account of their discussion with the audience and one another. I appreciate your time. Crawdaddy! 
Mike harkin (talk) 20:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Q & A with Ian Mackaye: 10 1 2008 (removed)
Recently, I posted a link to my blog of an insightful telephone interview with Ian that I conducted in October of 2008. As sole proprietor and editor, I grant full-access to the blog in question, as well as the copy contained within. Why was my link removed? Sorry if I've overlooked a policy agreement, but I'm new to the Wikipedia process.
- Hi John. I removed the link. Per our guideline on External Links to be avoided (WP:ELNO) #11:
Links to blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority (this exception is meant to be very limited; as a minimum standard, recognized authorities always meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for biographies).
- Congratulations on the interview, but it does not meet our standards for inclusion. An interview with MacKaye by Rob Sheffield of Rolling Stone would, however. --David Shankbone 20:04, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the response and information. However, did you take the time to read the interview? You would have found that the words are Ian's, and that the interview was conducted in a professional, objective manner, with no inclusions of bias, subjective or impertinent content. Regardless, thanks again for the permission to use your photo back in October.
I don't doubt that he's either a vegetarian or a vegan, but the sources provided are a joke. Anything more reliable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 07:37, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Orphaned references in Ian MacKaye
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Ian MacKaye's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "Embrace":
- From Embrace (Embrace album): Raggett, Ned. "Embrace - Embrace - Review". Allmusic. Retrieved March 19, 2011.
- From Embrace (American band): "Embrace". Punk News. Retrieved 2012-12-03.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 04:27, 15 February 2013 (UTC)