Talk:Ian Stewart (musician)

may 1963

Ian Stewart did not leave "the group before they became famous". He was asked to stay out of pictures, etc. because Andrew Loog Oldham thought he was too ugly. However he toured and played with the Stones just about up to his death.

He actually was kicked out of the band due to Oldham's influence, but he stayed on as tour manager and session and tour musician. Stick to the Facts 09:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Rock & Roll Circus

Was that Stewart playing piano in Rock & Roll Circus? 75pickup (talk · contribs) 05:30, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I'll take a closer look at it to see - it is entirely possible. You can catch a number of glimpses of him in Gimmie Shelter and the name "Stu" can be heard from time to time. Stick to the Facts 09:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

If you want to see Ian playing on stage, he is on the DVD "lets spend the night together". Tornarse

That's Nicky Hopkins on piano in Rock & Roll Circus. Sssoul (talk) 09:22, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Rock & Roll Hall of Fame

Sadly, he was not inducted into the hall of fame with the other stones. Neither was Brian Jones. Mick Taylor and Ron Wood were, however. Stick to the Facts 09:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Ian Stewart was inducted into the Hall of Fame with the rest of the Rolling Stones in 1989. Tornarse

AR

What is "Ian AR Stewart" supposed to mean? Certainly an explanation and/or correction is in order here. --BjKa 08:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

AR stands for Ian's second and third name: Andrew Robert

Mick Avory vs Tony Chapman

Mick Avory more than once has confirmed in person that he was only at the Bricklayers Pub twice to rehearse with the others AND that these two occasions were well before the date of July 12, 1962, the official birth of the band. So he was not present during the Stones first performance at the Marquee Club on that date and never at any occasion after that date. Although there is no exact proof, realistically Tony Chapman is the only person that could have played the drums on that memorable evening. Any rumours as would Charlie Watts have been present that evening can be ignored, because he was out of the country for his job in advertisement business. - SO

no one i ever heard of claims Charlie Watts was there on 12 july 62; can you provide a reference for Avory's statement that he wasn't the drummer that night? a citation from a reliable source would be great. thanks. Sssoul (talk) 16:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Both James Karnbach (American co-editor of book "It's Only Rock and Roll" and myself (in Utrecht, The Netherlands 4 years ago) spoke to Mick Avory in person. And he categorically denies having been a member of the Rollin' Stones. He only rehearsed with the guys twice late May/early June 1962, well before the band got it's name and appeared in public on July 12, 1962. Dick Taylor, bass player with the Stones in 1962, is quoted saying Charlie Watts being the possible drummer on July 12. 1962 in a book titled "The Rolling Stones - The origin of the species", by Alan Clayson, ISBN-978-184240-389, 2007 Chrome Dreams, New Malden, Surrey, UK (SO, 16 Januari 2009) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.83.34.58 (talk) 14:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

regarding personal conversations with Avory: please see WP:NOR, WP:V, WP:RS and related wikipedia policies. and regarding Clayson quoting Dick Taylor, since it's obviously an error there's not much point in repeating it in this article. please also consider creating a wikipedia account - it would be easier to communicate with you that way. thanks Sssoul (talk) 17:11, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I have created an account and forwarded some info to yours (I hope) Juilliard2005 (talk) 23:42, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

thanks - i've added the reference you provided. you should raise this on the Mick Avory talk page as well - it's even more relevant there than it is here. Sssoul (talk) 09:22, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

the Stu book as a reference

Two quotes that still require a reference can be assigned to the book: Stu, by Will Nash, Out-Take Limited, 1c Craven Mews, London, SW11 5PW, UK, 2003 Charlie Watts' quote: page 94 Mick Taylor's quote: page 194

the internet reference [9] used quotes from the book mentioned above in order to promote it, and can as such be replaced by the reference of the book itself. This exclusive book was issued in numbers of 950 copies. In addition another 125 copies have been issued as "contributor" copies, including a silk print of Ian Stewart by Ron Wood. In the book one can also find a photographic proof, that Ian Stewart was indeed inducted into the Hall of Fame! kind regards, SO (email redacted)

thanks - do you have the year of publication handy, and the ISBN? Sssoul (talk) 17:54, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello Sssoul, the book was published in 2003, but there is no mention of an ISBN. When you click on the "Stu" in literature reference (9) you find information on the book. I tried to contact the publishers over the past few weeks by phone and e-mail, but so far without success. 16 Januari 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.83.34.58 (talk) 14:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

yes, i'm aware of the existence of this book - i'm the one who added the Out-Take website to the references. very cool that you had a chance to borrow the book! limited edition or not, it seems like it must have an ISBN. thanks for pursuing it and please post it if you track it down so we can complete the references.

i've added it as the reference for the Watts & Taylor quotes - thanks! there's still a Jagger quote with a "citation needed" tag - if you could doublecheck, maybe that's from the same book? if you can find it and provide the page number, i'd be glad to add it to the article.

as for the reference to the Out-Take site: i don't see any reason to change that, even though the site (obviously!) quotes the book. the site has a lot of useful & interesting material, photos, etc., and has the distinct advantage of being readily accessible, which is not the case with the book. besides, when we cite books we need exact page numbers, so let's just keep the website for those. Sssoul (talk) 09:51, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Just in case anyone's still trying to figure this one out, book specifications (and why there's no ISBN) are here. --Technopat (talk) 10:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

okay, thanks Technopat ... call off the hounds 8) Sssoul (talk) 10:27, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

I went over the book "Stu" quite a few times to find out if the Jagger quote was in it, but I couldn't find it. I'll keep trying to find out where the quote originates from. Juilliard2005 (talk) 15:20, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Inspiration for Spinal Tap manager Ian Faith?

Aside from both having the same first name, both shunned the rock 'n' roll lifestyle and worked hard to keep unruly colleagues in hand. Notable?--MartinUK (talk) 12:26, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

it might be "notable enough", if there are any reliable sources that point it out. without sources to cite, though, it's original research and shouldn't be added to the article. Sssoul (talk) 12:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)