Talk:Ice road

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Merge[edit]

I don't agree at all with this merge suggestion because a Winter Road is not the same as an Ice Road at all... People think and talk about a Winter Road in subtropical regions of the world such as southern Brazil or in Wintery locations such as Utah or southern Chile - and yet that is not the same thing as a true Ice Road in the Arctic or even in Antarctica. Bepp 09:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To my understanding ice road and winter road are not the same. At least here in Finland the ice road is opened on the ice covering lake/sea, while a winter road is a road opened in the forest. It seems to be the same in Canada as well: many remote communities for example in Manitoba are linked only by a winter road, that leads through the snow-covered forests (but not over the lakes). --213.216.199.6 07:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
For what it's worth, I don't see a meaningful distinction between the two. A forest "winter road" invariably has to cross water bodies, and a lake or river "ice road" invariably has to cross lands and forests too. So unless a road's status actually changes from "ice road" to "winter road" every single time the landform it's crossing at that particular spot changes type, almost every road of either type is simultaneously both an ice road and a winter road even if those phrases are actually intended to convey different meanings. Bearcat (talk) 02:19, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed my mind three times now and I finally have to agree with Bearcat. There is a distinction, especially for sea roads (Estonia, Finland) where the road is entirely over ice and the Lake Ladoga WWII example, but these can be successfully integrated into the Winter road article, with a redirect from Ice road. (Who will be doing that BTW?) I note Canadian Geographic Nov/Dec07 -Diamond highway- describing "The world's longest ice road" which is named the Tibbitt to Contwoyto Winter Road which begs the question. The "Ice bridge" section of this article is problematic and needs to go somewhere else, any ideas? Franamax (talk) 03:11, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There is some difference, winter roads can be made with frozen water, but also pressed snow, or cut directly in frozen dirt. Winter roads are indeed ice roads at creek crossings, when bridges are made from frozen water, but they can also use regular bridges or wooden mats to cross creeks. Winter rods don't cross lakes, they generally go around them. Ice roads go mostly across lakes (see Tibbitt to Contwoyto Winter Road, sometimes along rivers, such as on Mackenzie River north of Inuvik. --Qyd (talk) 15:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
An ice road does not have to cross the land. For example the ice road from Yellowknife to Dettah, Northwest Territories is on Great Slave Lake. When it meets the land it uses the regular road system. However, having said that I see no reason why the two articles could not be merged. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 21:35, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Itobo (talk) 15:52, 16 March 2008 (UTC)There are some similarities between winter roads and ice roads, but the difference between them is significant. An ice road is in the main constructed anew annually, and its path can change from year to year. A winter road is generally surveyed and cut, and the route remains the same from year to year, and there can even be permanent bridges built along the route to bridge waterways. A winter road is generally just a seasonal road that is impassable except in winter. I've therefore referred back to the Winter road page where the content discusses issues that are in common, but otherwise I support having ice roads as a separate page.[reply]

I find this article a bit confusing in scope in that it is called ice road and yet contains a section on ice roads and winter roads. While it is common for winter roads to have sections across rivers (e.g. the Albany River), most of the time winter roads are on land. I think ice roads should be reserved for roads that travel for most of their length across lakes or other large bodies of water. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rev40 (talk • contribs) 05:36, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

To add my two cents: In Manitoba these roads are referred to as "winter roads" by the provincial government. Each road would cross lakes, land, swamp and whatever else is between point A and point B. Originally the roads were built to try and cross lakes wherever possible as its easiest to build, but due to safety concerns attempts are being made to avoid lakes and stick to land where possible. I don't believe a distinction can be made between winter roads and ice roads. First of all, don't all winter roads require ice in some form or another? Isn't that why they only exist in winter? While I haven't seen either, I'm sure there are roads that exist in winter strictly over lakes and some that exist strictly over land, but does that really make them a separate beast? A highway is a highway, regardless of what lies underneath, isn't? So I would argue a road that can only exist in winter is a winter road. Can anyone provide an example of where these terms are used in distinctly different ways, such as a government body responsible for roads that considers these to be two different things, or is this talk page the first time anyone has considered whether there is a difference? I can say that in this province the terms are used interchangably from what I've seen. -- Swaff —Preceding undated comment added 03:03, 6 February 2010 (UTC).[reply]

split[edit]

this article really should be split. Ice bridge needs a separate article, since it is an academic concept explaining migration of many prehistoric peoples. Ice road is a trivial concept of roads icing. Anlace 17:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that Ice bridge should be split but Ice road is certainly non-trivial, it is a serious matter of waiting for freeze-up until ice can support vehicles and judicious flooding of the ice to get the desired thickness. Perhaps you are thinking of "icy roads"? Franamax (talk) 03:15, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've split that off to ice bridge, and added a disambiguating note to this article. Mindmatrix 16:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Images[edit]

Look at the images on Commons at icy roads and ice roads. All the images in this article appear to be of icy roads on land. I think that it would be a good idea to replace them. something lame from CBW 07:37, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"North"[edit]

You don't have to venture that far north for an ice bridge.

New York City used to have an ice bridge in winter, Montreal, Canada still has an ice bridge across Lake of Two Mountains. These "southern" ice roads should be expanded on. 76.66.197.151 (talk) 08:33, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Update (and suggested addition)[edit]

Updated the article to indicate that the Inuvik-to-Tuktoyaktuk ice road no longer exists (they put in a proper highway a few years ago). Given current concerns about global warming and ice melts, perhaps a section should be added related to whether there are concerns about the long-term viability of ice roads. 68.147.116.14 (talk) 17:57, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Addressing lack of citations[edit]

In order to address the template regarding lack of citations (which had been there since 2016, i.e. five years ago), I re-wrote this article so it could align with Wikipedia's verifiability principle. That article had very few inline citations and looked too much like a hyperlink-loaded tour guide (links to Wikipedia articles do not qualify as reliable).

Disasters[edit]

Mention any case e.g., where a vehicle broke trough the ice and sunk into the frigid waters below in the middle of a lake. Jidanni (talk) 01:50, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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