Talk:Imamah (Shia doctrine)

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List/Table[edit]

Shouldn't we have a list that covers all Imams and branches from Ali to people accepted by present-day communities as Imam (like the Aga Khans. Something like the table below from my suggestion at Talk:Caliph:

PLEASE: I know the facts below are not yet right; these are placeholders.

(1) Ali ibn Abu Talib
(2) Hasan ibn Ali
(3) Husayn ibn Ali
(4) Ali ibn Husayn
Twelver Zaidi Ismaili Others
(5) Muhammad al-Baqir
(6) Jafar al-Sadiq
(7) Musa al-Kazim
(8) Ali al-Rida
(9) Muhammad al-Taqi
(10) Ali al-Hadi
(11) Hasan al-Askari
(12) Muhammad al-Mahdi



I removed the claim that the Prophet Muhammad had always insisted that Ali was his sucessor and changed it to a more neutral claim that Shias believe that he listed Ali as his sucessor due to the incident at Ghadhir Khom. I believe whoever edited it before was a Shia, and including such information removes neutrality from the article, in my mind at least.

DigiBullet 20:11, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

assalam walaykum, i have just got a question for you muslims out there weith islamic teachings how would i come to terms with a muslim being a freemaosn

email me at sassysam92@hotmail.co.uk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.13.35 (talkcontribs)

Merge[edit]

I suggest the articles Imamah (Shi'a twelver doctrine) and Imamah (Shi'a Ismaili doctrine) be merged into here. There isn't much difference in the 'doctrine' of Imamah between the different communities, only in the line of succession. This article should explain the general concept of Imamah, while the actual list of Imams of the different communities come on their respective article pages, with only a link provided in this article. --Bluerain (talk) 11:39, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

And i again oppose it. If for nothing else, there are doctinal differences between the twelver and the others views.--Striver 15:59, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but are they so different that they can't all be listed in this article? Could you list them out here? --Bluerain (talk) 07:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

The twelver view is much about there being exactly twelve Imams and they being sinless. And this gives much spin offs into comparision with profets, and defending claims of elevating them to actual profets. The other views do noth share this same idea, as far as i know, but i do not know enough to write about them. Puting all view in the same article gives the unfounded impresion that everybody share the twelver view. And i simply do not know what parts they do share, so i cant even write a disclaimer. In this way, it will be more vivdly displayed that they are in fact different doctrinces and it makes it more probable that somebody will go and improve the sevener view. Bro, why are you so eager to merge them? --Striver 10:38, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Imamat in these two branches of Islam are different. Henry Corbin in "History of Islamic philosophy"[1] seprates these two. These two articles look similiar because both of them incomplete. --Sa.vakilian 16:56, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Ok, is this settled, can we remove the tags?--Striver 16:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Ill take that as a "yes". --Striver 01:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I've read Striver's reasoning and I agree with him COMPLETELY because I have actually edited the Imamah (Nizari Ismaili doctrine) article and found it pretty laborious to do so. The differences between all the tariqas are so IMMENSELY different that I abandoned the idea of editing these articles one by one because I am helplessly ignorant about their in-depth doctrines and I have no stomach to do the research on them the way I did for the article on the Nizaris. Salim e-a ebrahim (talk) 04:41, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Lead[edit]

@Mhhossein: Can you please restate this in English: Tusi notifies that Imam is the means of the grace of Allah. Also, per WP:SWT, write "God" instead of "Allah", except in direct quotations, and don't capitalize "his" when referring to a god.--Anders Feder (talk) 07:47, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

@Anders Feder: I'm not sure whether I'm making a correct translation, but the phrase means as such to me: "According to Tusi, Imam is a mean through which human receives God's grace (or blessing)". Mhhossein (talk) 13:23, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
There needs to be a grammatical article before "Imam", e.g. "the Imam".--Anders Feder (talk) 13:37, 17 May 2015 (UTC) I've used "the" in the text.[2]--Anders Feder (talk) 13:41, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Remove incumbent[edit]

Shall we remove the incumbent Imam to prevent bias and subjectivity?--88.111.129.157 (talk) 19:35, 17 May 2015 (UTC)