Talk:Imperial Crown of the Holy Roman Empire

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Crown[edit]

If the crown was made in the late 10th century, then why was Conrad II the first be crowned with it? Also, Otto III placed his crown on Boleslaus' head at the Congress of Gniezno. Is it possible that this was the same one, or was it an earlier one? Appleseed (Talk) 03:01, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It is unclear whether the crown was made by Otto I (in which case Otto II could have been crowned with it), Conrad II (in which case Henry III could have been crowned with it) or even Conrad III. The name Conrad included in the crown suggests a Conrad though it could have been a later addition. I myself would go for Conrad II. Str1977 ^(talk) 13:36, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The handle on the crown was a later addition for Conrad II. The transcription of the Latin on the plate with Isaiah and Hezekiah is, unfortunately, not very accurate and makes no sense in Latin. It should read: Isaias propheta. Ezechias rex. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.101.115.83 (talk) 23:42, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The copies[edit]

Are they made of same materials, or costume copies? 72.228.177.92 (talk) 22:25, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nuremberg[edit]

Nothing about its Nazi-era sojourn in Nürnberg (Nuremberg)? [1] Sca (talk) 14:23, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

But is it the Imperial Crown of the Holy Roman Empire?[edit]

I'm not sure what crown or crowns were used when the Emperors were still crowned in Rome, but basically this is the Royal Crown of the Kingdom of Germany. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 18:31, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Germany was never a kingdom. To be "king of the germans" ment to be "roman emperor due to be crowned in Rome yet".--85.176.217.87 (talk) 14:30, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That's not all what it meant. The German (or Easter Frankish) Kingdom preceded the Empire of Otto and formally remained a Kingdom within the HRE until the end of Empire. The point is that this crown was never used for Imperial coronations.Gerard von Hebel (talk) 21:05, 23 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To my understanding it was used for both the German royal coronation in Aachen as well as the imperial one in Rome. The fact that the hoop speaks of "Conrad by the grace of god emperor of the Romans" could be seen as a hint that it was actually used for both occasions.

Also since 1508 in almost every incident the imperial and royal coronation were done at the same time which makes it de facto the imperial crown again.--MacX85 (talk) 17:22, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

current monetary value?[edit]

Is there an RS which puts a monetary value on it besides "priceless!" out there? Would be a good addition to the article. -HammerFilmFan 50.111.216.187 (talk) 03:28, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Orphan[edit]

The description of the "Orphan" quoted in the article sounds more like that of a star ruby than an opal. While a truly star-shaped flash would be unlikely due to the difficuly of cutting the stone to achieve it, any appearance of sparkling rutile inclusions, or 'silk', would have appeared quite special/magical. I wonder if this possibility is mentioned in any sources, or if it might be worth including in the article? Although I don't know the date of this belief, there was an idea that rubies could predict disaster by turning black. If that happened it might explain the stone's removal from the crown (half-joking here). This crown is a truly marvelous object :-) /Here's a link to more info on star rubies MissKimSwim (talk) 00:42, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]