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Semi-protected edit request on 27 december 2014[edit]

In the article the national language is not mentioned.Why?? The national language is Hindi and it should be mentioned and the drive's on is also wrong.It is mentioned as left but India drive's on right side.The steering is on the right side.I kindly request you to put this information correctly--Bhootrina (talk) 12:57, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

I see Hindi mentioned a few times, most substantially "India has no national language. Hindi, with the largest number of speakers, is the official language of the government." Are you worried about the way it is being mentioned? Also, I see left hand driving mentioned, but not very prominently, in the infobox. Is it correct that (as in Britain where I live) driving is on the left and the stering wheel on the right? Thincat (talk) 13:26, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
See Q9 in the FAQs above - Arjayay (talk) 13:40, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

India Infobox[edit]

I was wondering if in the infobox section we should change from "Independence from the United Kingdom" to "Formation". Most countries use the "Formation" standard instead of the "Independence" one, especially those with pre-colonial history. I feel that this is necessary because the predecessor to modern day India is obviously the British Raj in the Indian subcontinent and it defined most of the international and internal borders of India as well as the government structure was really similar. Before that was probably the Mughal Empire. The empires and kingdoms ruling India before Britain also defined how modern India came to be and some are similar in structure.

Here are a few example countries that follow the "Formation" standard in the infobox: Bangladesh, Burma, China, Ethiopia, Italy, Japan, Norway, Pakistan, South Korea, Thailand, United Kingdom.

In the case of Korea, it includes the time of Japanese occupation of Korea.

Germany has been united in the past (Holy Roman Empire) but before recent confederation and unification it was in different pieces throughout the land, similar to the kingdoms of Medieval India.

The United States doesn't follow this but it included "Current Statehood" (the last state to join the union), which I believe is important.

I just want some input on the topic for now and if we need to make any changes we can move further from here. Zaketo (talk) 00:09, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

I prefer sticking with "Independence" in the infobox because:
  • The current boundaries, and governing structure, of the nation were indeed defined at the time of its independence/partition but, as you say, the entity "India" has existed before then unlike Pakistan, Bangladesh and some other countries that you list as using the "Formation" field in the infobox. (see related discussion at History of India talk page).
  • However, while the concept of Independence of India is concrete and universally understood to refer to its independence from the British Empire, its formation is a pretty nebulous concept and I can foresee future arguments about whether India was really formed on August 15, 1947. For example, Japan and Ethiopia list their dates of formations as 660BC and 980BC respectively, and while it is possible that dates that far back are generally accepted as dates of formations for those "countries" (I haven't checked), trying to come up with analogous dates for "formation" of India is an invitation for POV-pushing, OR and edit-warring.
  • Relatedly, and most importantly, do standard books use the term "Formation of India" for the events of Aug 15, 1947 (or any other point in Indian history)? I haven't checked for confirmation but don't recall that term being typically used with reference to India
Abecedare (talk) 03:44, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Division Map Clamied Error Report[edit]

in that Division geo map. here mensioned india occupied Pak & china territory. i feel geo map make fool or if right means can any one clarify me?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mughi101 (talkcontribs) 05:48, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

The map marks territory administratively under the jurisdiction of a country as being a part of that country. So, for example, Aksai Chin is claimed by India but is currently a part of China, therefore the map marks it as "Chinese territory claimed by India". Similarly, Arunachal Pradesh is a part of India but claimed by China and is marked as "Indian territory claimed by China". These markings reflect the reality of boundary disputes and make no judgement about their validity. Hope this helps. --regentspark (comment) 14:26, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Spread of Vedic culture template[edit]

Do we need the level of detail provided by the recently added {{Spread of Vedic culture}} template in this article? I realize that it is collapsed by default, but it still effectively adds 8 images to the page in terms of load-time, and IMO is of more specialized interest than suitable for such a broad overview. Thoughts? (Pinging @Joshua Jonathan: for his input) Abecedare (talk) 15:37, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

I was thinking same because it is analysis of different cultures and their relations. It could be suitable for a Asian-Europian article though. Bladesmulti (talk) 15:39, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
I was wondering about that too. Actually, I'm dubious about the entire template because it is almost an article within an article without the scrutiny that articles get. Templates should be nothing more than a holding place for a collection of articles. --regentspark (comment) 15:45, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes there is some discussion too, see Template talk:Spread of Vedic culture. Bladesmulti (talk) 15:51, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Good point, about the loading time. There are sources for those maps, though. The advantage is that it provides a very concise overview of an otherwise very complicated topic. It took me quite some time to get this overview, and I thought it might help for others to have a quick overview. Ehm, where are we going to centralize this discussion? Template talk:Spread of Vedic culture? Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 17:06, 14 January 2015 (UTC)


Friend.hey [1] was probably right about it. See [2]-[3] Bladesmulti (talk) 22:34, 25 January 2015 (UTC)