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I am starting a new discussion of overpopulation in India which I feel needs to be added to the article. It can be more or less a previous discussion of the archived one but I was not aware of it, so I am wanting to continue the discussion here. I contend that amongst the problems that need to be mentioned is overpopulation.
I want people to give their arguments and provide reliable sources for their opinions. As a start I will cite the CIA world factbook as mine as a start. I won't have time to contribute all the time but I can participate from time to time. So feel free to post your arguments and sources here, but remember they must be reliable.--Taeyebaar (talk) 20:31, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
This is not a discussion forum, if you have a suggestion then you need to explain what and why you want to add content so it can gain consensus to either add or ignore from other editors. MilborneOne (talk) 21:50, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
LOL as if I didn't know this is not a discussion forum. Where did you get this impression from? I am continuing a discussion of why overpopulation needs to be added to the list of problems india faces.Taeyebaar (talk) 02:30, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
So you still need to suggest what you actually want to be added and why. MilborneOne (talk) 08:54, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ The editor has shown serious effort for starting this discussion again on my talk page. I'm notifying the previous main participants in case they want to join this. @Joshua Jonathan, Bladesmulti, NBAkid: -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 11:44, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
I think this was fairly comprehensively discussed before. In particular, I think Abecedare's summary that "overpopulation" is an opinion label and that the "article is better off providing raw facts (population, population density etc), rather than glossing them with charged and disputed descriptors" is on target. We would need to see scholarly sources that specifically refer to over-population as a problem for India before adding it to the article. (Asking for sources that state that overpopulation is not a problem for India doesn't make sense - not easy to source a negative.) --regentspark (comment) 13:51, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Taeyebaar, South Korea has more 'overpopulation' then. These forum like discussions are really childish and they make no sense. Bladesmulti (talk) 13:29, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
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Taking data from CIA fact book, the birth rate in India is 19.89 per 1000 population compared to World average of 18.7. since the death rate is fast coming down, the population growth rate is 1.25% (high growth rate rank 94th out of 233 countries not far from 143rd position by USA). The worst phase of population growth rate is over and population growth would come down fast in a decade as the death rate increases further.The present population is 1.25 billion which will go up to a peak of 1.64 billion (only 31% increase in next 40 years) in the year 2055 with a population growth rate of 0.7% when population starts declining later. population pyramids from 1950 to 2100 of various countriesDemographic transition process explains population dynamics. The aspects of concern to Indians is the vast disparity/lag in the Demographic transition process among various communities. Hindus, Jains and Sikhs are well ahead in Demographic transition process with low birth rate and high life expectancy causing aged bulge. Whereas Muslims, tribals and Christians are lagging with high birth rate and low life expectancy causing youth bulge. It may look normal in terms of % population of each community. India is also home for 12 linguistic sub-nations with smaller one exceeding 30 million population. Non Hindi speaking south and western India are leading in demographic transition and Hindi / Urdu (55%) speaking Indians are far lagging. As the more number of street active youth can prevail upon home confined aged people, it would create political problem to India in few decades if the Indian society is not integrating fully without much religious / linguistic feelings. This is already evident in USA where whites are getting aged faster and Hispanics & blacks are younger lagging in Demographic transition. So majority white's supported republican party has lost to non-white's (Hispanics and Blacks) democrat party in last two elections. So there is chance of India also tuning in to Pakistan or Arabic countries which are undergoing turmoil (conflict between orthodox Sunni community with progressive Shia community) due to excessive youth bulge/population growth above the inherent sustainability of these countries. Present moderate population growth is already tamed below the sustainability of India but skewed demographic transition among various communities in India will cause turmoil when anti progressive orthodox people tries to take over the political power from progressive communities leading to negative economic growth. This aspect is very important and if possible community wise population pyramids are to be given in this article. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 21:21, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
overpopulation should be added to the article because there are reasonable sources to verify this claim. I named the CIA world factbook to begin with.--Taeyebaar (talk) 22:16, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Some more sources, some themselves from Indian sources  Many of these are not just statements but analysis and conclude the thesis that overpopulation is a problem. Since it is, I think it should be mentioned in the article. Corruption and poverty can also be argued as opinionated then. Even more so than overpopulation.Thanks Taeyebaar (talk) 22:29, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Color me naive. I thought this was going to be a serious discussion after the "must be reliable" injunction. Source 1 is a presentation. Source 2 is a student paper (presumable school students). Source 3 is also a student project report. Source 4 is another presentation (and is about general overpopulation anyway). None of these remotely satisfy the reliable sources requirement. --regentspark (comment) 01:39, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Poverty was included, per poverty line stats. 25% live in poverty. Number of political parties and activists claim that there are trillions(or still 1.6 trillion by 2011) in the bank account of politicians, through corruption. These are issues. Not some childish non existing issue like 'overpopulation', much of the land still require many people. It is not even hard to find same or better level of sources for any other country. Bladesmulti (talk) 00:56, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
If those are not satisfactory, it's not the end. There are plenty of scholarly sources that can attribute to this. I am working on finding them. I again wish to emphasize it's a bit ridiculous that the wikipedia community will use the CIA factbook as sources for other things but deny it as a source for overpopulation. I am browsing through google scholar for more acceptable sources. Will share some hopefully later today.--Taeyebaar (talk) 22:24, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
"Number of political parties and activists claim that there are trillions(or still 1.6 trillion by 2011) in the bank account of politicians, through corruption. These are issues."
Are the above even reliable sources or just endorsed per community consensus? These don't seem to be reliable at all. Not that it's not true, but just questioning the sources. Anyways back to overpopulation.--Taeyebaar (talk) 22:29, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
What is exactly overpopulated? The cities may be overpopulated, but the vast countryside is largely empty.VictoriaGrayson (talk) 15:30, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
"Human overpopulation occurs if the number of people in a group exceeds the carrying capacity of a region occupied by that group. Overpopulation can further be viewed, in a long term perspective, as existing when a population can't be maintained without the rapid depletion of non-renewable resources or without the degradation of the capacity of the environment to give support to the population." I agree with this and the source. Taeyebaar (talk) 21:22, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
I am sorry for starting this discussion when I had little time. I'll get back to it when I'm available, so please don't close it. Others are welcomed to share their perspectives and more importantly, their sources.--Taeyebaar (talk) 03:19, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
^Ehrlich, Paul R. Ehrlich & Anne H. (1990). The population explosion. London: Hutchinson. pp. 39–40. ISBN0091745519. Retrieved 20 July 2014. "When is an area overpopulated? When its population can't be maintained without rapidly depleting nonrenewable resources  (or converting renewable resources into nonrenewable ones) and without degrading the capacity of the environment to support the population. In short, if the long-term carrying capacity of an area is clearly being degraded by its current human occupants, that area is overpopulated."