Talk:Indian Railways

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Bastiq▼e ^demandez 15:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Jay Prakash Chaurasia Uttar Pradesh Deoria Ukina LarBazar Thanks Friends —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.30.246.116 (talk) 12:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Claims

Please follow wikipedia standards of neutrality and attribution when contributing to this page to prevent your edits from being reverted. Thanks! =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Second largest employer in the world

This page says indian raiways is the second largest employer in the world behind the Chinese Army. This is incorrect ... the US Department of Defence has close to 3 million employees. I have removed that sentence from this article ... if you can find a verifiable source to indicate that Indian Railways is the third largest employer, then put that in. If not, its better to leave out such relative facts -- its enough to just state the number of employees the company has. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.195.76.6 (talk) 20:01, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Is the US Department of Defence a single organization? I do not think so. I've pulled out reliable sources that speak of the claims. [1] and [2] =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:40, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Jay Prakash Chaurasia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.30.246.116 (talk) 12:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Wal-mart

Also Wal-mart article states they have 2.1 million employees which is more than Indian Railways

Department of defense

Department of defense is not a commercial or utility employer same as Chinese Army. Therefore, the information about Indian Railways as being second Commercial or Utility Employer would be correct. Furthermore,2.1 million employees is wrong for walmart since there have been redundancies and layoffs in countries where walmart operates in the recent years to 1.4 million employees instead of 2.1. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Snagraj (talk • contribs) 19:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

I.R. Number of employees

The number of employees as per Indian Railways Statistical reference available on internet at location [[3]] is 1406430. Can someone correct it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ganjudeepak (talk • contribs) 15:29, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Y Done - The stats have been updated. SBC-YPR (talk) 16:01, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Indirect employment might be many times more than 1.4 mn. What about mentioning that.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.96.7.226 (talk) 12:51, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Reliability of references

Are the following references currently used in the considered reliable/authoritative ? If not, it may be better to remove them now so that we know exactly what statements need citations. Abecedare (talk) 00:06, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

• "Indian Railways: Strides of Progress in 2007". INRnews - Indian Real Estate & Property News. http://www.inrnews.com/realestateproperty/india/infrastructure/indian_railways_strides_of_progress_in_2007_inrnews.html. Retrieved 2008-12-11. 
• "railways in India". Tcil.com. http://www.tcil.com/rail.asp. Retrieved 2008-11-11. 
• IRFCA (the whole site/parts of it / ... ? )
• Glyn's train (the site seems defunct)

I have removed the above listed references, except for IRFCA, which I personally trust (although some FAR reviewers may disagree. Abecedare (talk) 04:05, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree that IRFCA is quite a reliable source. The TCIL (Transport Corporation of India) article looks reliable, and the organisation doesn't seem to be a phony. The INRnews article is a reproduction of this PIB press release [4], and can be relied upon. The Glyn's train site does not exist. SBC-YPR (talk) 12:28, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

ICRA is acceptable. Their content is peer-reviewed in their mailing list, so it would be accurate. Incidently, Peer reviewed content by experts makes content accurate, and that's welcome on Wikipedia. =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:35, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Formatting of references

Any input on how we should format references in Notes and Reference section, i.e., what style and templates should we use (full references vs Harvard) ? (Note: I plan to add some print references to the mix.) It would be good to decide once, so that we don't have to re-do them down the line. Abecedare (talk) 00:15, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I have no fixed view. Harvard would seem ok if there are many books to cite. =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:33, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I feel that we should stick to full references for the sake of uniformity, at least in the case of web resources. SBC-YPR (talk) 13:02, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

History

Since this section already has a main article, I feel it should be shortened and only the most essential details included on this page. The rest can be moved to the sub-page. What say, folks? SBC-YPR (talk) 13:11, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

The 1974 strike

The article does not even mention 1974 railway strike in India.That makes it somewhat imcomplete. Shyamsunder (talk) 09:08, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Recruitment

Please add more information about fraud, Paper leak, racketeers, Influence in Railway Recruitment —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.85.34 (talk) 10:04, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

KR as a zone

Why isn't KR mentioned as a zone? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 09:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Konkan Railway is not a zone of IR. It is operated by a company, which is not controlled by IR. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 11:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Infobox

I have reverted the additional infobox as there was already one infobox in the article and the second one merely duplicated the information. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 13:52, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

But that infobox contains the details of the railways not the company!

Regards,Sharadbob —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharadbob (talk • contribs) 14:01, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but I do not think the infobox rail template would be appropriate for Indian Railways as it is a very large network and there is no homogenity in gauge. Further, that template seems designed for North American railroad companies (because of parameters such as Reporting mark). Anyhow, you are right in that the current infobox does not provide rail-related info about IR. We must find some way to incorporate both without duplicating information and adding multiple infoboxes. I will leave a note on the Trains Wikiproject talkpage. Please discuss if you have any ideas. Regards, SBC-YPR (talk) 14:18, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Comments

Moved from /Comments page

Sir,

I am very glad to see this portal and I wish to express my view with u to improve working skills to not only to a clerical cadre but also for all officers. Please make available these items also in web sites. they are,

1. Rules regarding procurement of imprest cash
2. Schedule of powers in case of Disaster management
3. Schedule of powers to procure other items
4. Major accidents, cause, violation of rules, remedy etc.
5. suggestion or requirement of modification in safety rules or freight rules

these sites will automatically develop the employees working culture , thinking,dedication and devotion.

Than you.

G.SRINIVASA Rao
Station Manager, DUVVADA,
East Coast Railway, Visakhapatnam. Andhra Pradesh

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.145.131 (talk) 00:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Largest employer claim

The article states that Indian railways is the largest "commercial or utility employer". This statement is vague, and factually incorrect (Wal-mart has over 2 million employees, and is a "commercial" employer). Perhaps this line should be removed and just state the number of employees. There are two "sources" listed for this claim: I could not find anything on the Government website repeating this claim, and the other is paper source from 2005. There are several sources stating Wal-mart has 2.1 M employees (see wikipedia page), and a source stating that indian railways has 1.4 M employees (not disputed on this page). So let's remove that claim. 207.237.53.242 (talk) 03:46, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Claim of 9000 trains daily

This is asserted under Services, subsection Passenger; specifically "Indian Railways operates about 9,000 passenger trains and transports 18 million passengers daily"

I looked at the 2009 "Trains at a glance" online, pages 42-48 for "train numbers" and the number of trains I come up with is 2000. I come up with a similar number when I look at the list of train names in Trains At A Glance.

That is quite at variance with 9000. A suggestion is made that passenger trains, the slow-stop-at-every-station type, that are only enumerated in the zonal time-tables and perhaps the EMUs ( the locals in Mumbai ) account for the additional 7000. Can we get a citation for the 9000 trains number ? Otherwise I suggest the following modification:

"Indian Railways runs 2000 cross-country passenger trains daily( cit: Trains At a Glance ) and a further number of slow passenger trains and a substantial number of suburban trains that service the large metropolitan areas".

Absent further discussion, I propose making this change in 4 days time. -skthetwo Skthetwo (talk) 16:29, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

When was hump shunting ceased?

Since years ago the Indian technical railway reviews which I (German) can read in the Hannover Technical University do not write anything on hump shunting in marshalling yards such as Tughlakabad, Mughalsarai, Andal, Nimpura, Bhilai, Bhusawal, Tondiarpet etc. The Google Maps images show that many tracks in such yards have been lifted and many retarders have been removed. Thus obviously in India the transport of single wagonload freight must have been disappeared such as in Great Britain and Japan in 1984; and also obviously in Spain around the turn of the century. But nowhere I have found an article or even a small notice neither in Indian periodicals nor in other important railway periodicals like International Railway Journal, Railway Gazette, Eisenbahntechnische Rundschau, Der Eisenbahningenieur, Révue générale des chemins de fer, Ingegneria ferroviaria, Vía libre etc. which confirms my presumption. Does any expert on Indian Railways know what's the matter with India's hump marshalling yards - specially: when and where was the last hump closed; and where is it documentated? Thank you very much in advance for your labour. Michael. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.176.114.147 (talk) 14:01, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

The hump yards ceased to be in operation in the early 1980s, when the Chairman Railway Board, MS Gujral, dis-allowed piecemeal-loading. Henceforth, only complete freight trains could be hired; no single-wagons were offered, and so the shunting of wagons to form rakes at different hump yards ceased.Tinpisa (talk) 07:42, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Use of non-IR photos

This is an article on the Indian Railways. It would be better to delete non-IR photos from the article. Your opinion. Tinpisa (talk) 07:42, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

No opinion against, is deemed as acceptance of the proposal. Tinpisa (talk) 09:09, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Removed unsourced text

I've removed some material that was added by a member of the WP:IEP program; see that page for details of the cleanup. It is unsourced and I found a short copyvio section taken from here. This is the diff for the removed material. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 20:40, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

This material was copied from [5] in violation of copyright and must not be re-added. See Wikipedia:Contributor_copyright_investigations/Indian_Education_Program. Hut 8.5 23:01, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Correct date of foundation in Infobox

The date of founding needs to be corrected to 1951. The Railways are free to claim their origins from the late 1850s however, the organisation proper was instituted in 1951 only. It shoud also have the act being passed as a reference, with the date it was passed as the founding day, in the absence of any specific declaration by IR. AshLin (talk) 18:17, 12 January 2012 (UTC)