Talk:Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation

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Indonesian command structure[edit]

I think the current listed names are wrong. Was not Nasution head of the army until his murder? Below that did not the two regional commanders (E and W Kalimantan) report directly to him? Then in 1965 an overall commander for Konfrontasi was appointed.Nfe (talk) 23:42, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't think Moerdani belongs on any list of high level commanders. He was well down the chain of command at this period. He was an RPKAD battalion commander for some of the time and an operative in Bangkok for much of the rest of the period. He compares to, for example, the battalion commander of 2RGJ, who these days sits in the House of Lords as Field Marshal the Lord Bramall and no one is suggesting that he was a high level commander during Konfrontasi. Nfe (talk) 01:56, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Philippines = Sabah dispute[edit]

Resolved: Buhay Tao (talk · contribs) BLOCKED for socking and POV pushing, with all his controversial edit entries on this page reverted by me.

See the Sabah dispute.--[[User:Buhay Tao|Buhay Tao (ᜊᜓᜑᜌ᜔ ᜆᜂ)]] ([[User talk:Buhay Tao|Buhay Tao (ᜊᜓᜑᜌ᜔ ᜆᜂ)]]) (talk) 14:03, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Philippines = Sabah dispute - part of political background to Konfrontasi. However, Philippines was NOT a belligerent in Konfrontasi and Philippines was not an 'ally' of Indonesia in their actions against Malaysia.Nfe (talk) 01:53, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

The Amazon description of Pöulgrain's book is; "This study of the final stage of British colonial involvement in South East Asia begins with the arrival of British troops in Indonesia as liberators in 1945-6 and culminates with the 1963-6 period of confrontation between Malaysia and Indonesia. Greg Poulgrain seeks to show how confrontation with Indonesia was deliberately provoked to facilitate the inclusion of Sarawek in Malaysia and to bring down Sukarno. At the crux of this policy was the Brunei revolt of 1962. In examining the political situation of Brunei before the instigation and the reactions of Indonesia at the time, this text aims to vindicate the role of Brunei's A.M. Azahari who had anticipated a federation of the three Borneo states headed by the Sultan of Brunei as constitutional monarch." So a contrarian (or conspiracy theory) history that Konfrontasi was a British plot. It's well established that pre-Konfrontasi Philippines gave some political support to Sukarno's aspirations, they backed of once Konfrontasi started.Nfe (talk) 06:05, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Renaming of Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation to Konfrontasi[edit]

Single language[edit]

I have reverted a recent edit, so that "The Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation (also known as Konfrontasi in Malay)" now reads "The Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation (also known as Konfrontasi in Indonesian and Malay)" again. I am aware of the linguistic similarities between Indonesian and Malay, but not everyone will be. Konfrontasi was between two countries. It is inappropriate that reference to one country's language is made while the other is ignored. Qwerta369 (talk) 13:47, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Reference to the role of HMS Albion[edit]

I was surprised that no reference is made to the role of HMS Albion in this very detailed account of the Malaysian Confrontation. HMS Albion was a converted fix wing aircraft carrier designated as a Commando Carrier. HMS Albion was off Gan on 9th December 1962 en-route to Singapore for a Far Eastern tour of duty. On boards were 845 and 846 helicopter squadrons and 40 Commando. Six days at 27 knots and after picking up more stores and reinforcements in Singapore, Albion was deployed off Brunei. For the next eighteen months or so Albion deployed constantly around the coast of Sarawak, Brunei and North Borneo. HMS Albion became known as the ‘Grey Ghost of the Borneo Coast’. Albion and her sister ship Bulwark represented a new concept in rapid deployment and pursuit that was more than just a troop ship. Colin Madden, Captain of Albion said in his decommissioning remarks that without Albion and her squadrons the story of Brunei and Borneo might have been different. Thus surely Albion warrants a mention in any account of the Brunei revolt and Malaysian Confrontation for both its strategic and tactical contribution. 86.131.129.71 (talk) 16:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC) Edward

Relevant to the Brunei affair and its aftermath but not to Confrontation, 18 months takes it to mid 64, when things were still relatively quiet in Borneo. Nfe (talk) 05:15, 6 January 2011 (UTC) Surely still relevant? Likewise no mention of the Inshore Flotilla operating from Singapore against Indonesian forces? Also....RMs based at HMS Sembawang.....Should that not be HMS Simbang? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.182.54 (talk) 12:48, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

List of participating Units[edit]

A minor point - it would be nice to see "units of the Royal Electical and Mechanical Engineers" included in the Uk listing.

More important:- On the Malaysian Units listing there is no mention of the 1st Batallion Malaysian Rangers - the old Sarawak Ranger batallion reformed. They were based in Simmanggang (2nd Division) from Oct 65 (taking over from 1 RNZIR) to ?Apr 66 with company bases at Jambu, Lubok Antu, Batu Lintang and Sungei Tenggan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.182.220.233 (talk) 13:34, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Gallantry Awards[edit]

The section states that no Distinguished Flying crosses were awarded in the conflict.

That is factually inaccurate.

I regret that I cannot provide beneficially detailed information even of the award of the DFC of which I have absolute certainty, that to Flight lieutenant Ronald Alexander Lord DFC, who was my older brother. Divorce having lost me or separated me from all my records.

However I can absolutely confirm that he and fellow pilots from his unit were awarded DFC's in an action to rescue an SAS patrol who had become surrounded and I was advised, meaning that all the aircraft involved came under fire.

I only learned of the details of the mission from his C/O (or senior colleague)at the time of the action. I regret I cannot provide a name but was advised that the gentleman concerned was the ultimate source of detail during my attempt to contact his closest contemporaries following my brother's death.

I came to this article having found my brother's and known colleagues of the time missing from your organizations list of Post War DFC awards.

That article is similarly incorrect therefore.

The fact that my brother never provided the details makes me reluctant to add the one element that could be considered politically sensitive. Though it seems highly unlikely to remain so at this distance and given the at least formerly "restricted" details of far more "Dark" ops and highly restricted "need to know" details of equipment and operations now paraded so freely in the media.

Having worked in the Defence Industry I am stunned by the current level of detail provided on specialist TV programes that include a great deal that I remain sworn not to discuss outside  informed circles.

However, the fact that I cannot find details on sources so far tried is beginning to cause me to wonder.

My brother's award appeared in the London Gazette if I remember correctly and I can certainly confirm that his medal was awarded by the Queen as I attended the award ceremony with my parents. Awards for sensitive ops are usually only made after they have ceased to be contentious ?

I simply don't believe that this action could still be in that category if it ever was.

I apologize if this questioning observation is outside the spirit of the system. I feel certain however that there will be many who have the detail that could either explain the omissions or rectify them.


94.196.47.47 (talk) 22:05, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Is there a citation in the TNA files (where all the other UK awards were found)? The tactical situation described doesn't seem very likely, since a/c were banned from flying over Indonesia. Perhaps it was another theatre such as Radfan?Nfe (talk) 07:19, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello all. Lord's DFC does indeed appear in the London Gazette - issue 43838, page 11687 on 10 December 1965. Pls see here: [1]. Also I found this page which is quite interesting: User:Necrothesp/List of recipients of the Distinguished Flying Cross (United Kingdom) since World War II which lists 11 DFCs awarded for actions during the conflict. I hope this helps. Anotherclown (talk) 21:41, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

RAAF involvment during the Confontation of Malaysia.[edit]

I was surprised to see no mention of RAAF involvement in Wikepedia's quite elaborately detailed account of the Confrontation. RAAF 77 Squadron was based at Butterworth during this period and Wikepedia says: "The Squadron was disbanded at RAAF Base Williamtown on 12 August 1956 but was reformed on 19 November 1956 equipped with CAC Sabres. In December 1958 the Squadron moved to RAAF Base Butterworth in Malaya where it flew ground attack missions against Communist guerrillas during the Malayan Emergency. The Squadron remained at Butterworth during the 1960s and served in the air defence role during the Indonesian Confrontation." I can vouch for the last statement because I was sent to Butterworth and then to Changi to look after them! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dim Duck (talkcontribs) 14:43, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Gday. I agree it could be mentioned as long as it is not done with unnecessary detail (per WP:UNDUE). FYI it is covered here also: Military history of Australia during the Indonesia–Malaysia Confrontation. Anotherclown (talk) 11:52, 9 April 2013 (UTC)


New wiki article 'Combat operations during the Indonesian-Malaysian Confrontation'.[edit]

Have started a new article, 'Combat operations during the Indonesian-Malaysian Confrontation', in effort to make the page more easier to read. Existing article was extremely long and difficult to digest. Hopefully everyone supports the major structural/design change??? :-) Gfcan777 (talk) 14:52, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Added some smaller 'combat operations' articles to break up the article into easier bite size chunks. Gfcan777 — Preceding undated comment added 17:20, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Much appreciated, thank you for your help. Hope in the next coming years, more images can be added when the copyright period in the awm.gov.au site have expired. I see this article needs more images. :) — ᴀʟʀᴇᴀᴅʏ ʙᴏʀᴇᴅ ʜᴜʜ? 13:55, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Given the security at the time there are not a lot of official photographs, and soldiers did no carry cameras on operations so private collections are a limited source. Australia's very small contribution to the campaign means that there won't be much useful to illustrate it. Eg photos of Gurkhas or even British troops.Nfe (talk) 04:31, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

INDONESIA- MALAYSIA[edit]

THE V.C.MEDAL ISSUED 1N 1966 TO THE GURKHA IN SARAWAK, WAS I believe 1/10 Gurkha stationed at Samanggang NOT 10 GURKHA.


                  B.D.YARDLEY  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.96.244.146 (talk) 07:40, 4 November 2014 (UTC)