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I am trying to find information ON the Indus river valley and i cant so we need a better internet source

Factual Errors Re. 'Modern Issues and Indus Waters Treaty'[edit]

In the section 'Modern Issues' the claim was made "India had gained control of the mouth of the river after the first Kashmir war" ! Well, India never had control of the mouth to start with - it has always been in Pakistan - the Indus delta. I am not sure if the author understands what the 'mouth' of a river implies. Another claim that was made in this section was that the Pakistan government was allowing Hindu temples on its banks. Now talk about living in a cloud cuckoo land! In the section 'Indus Waters Treaty' reference was made to the Baghlighar hydroelectric project. The implication was that this was on the Indus - which it is not case, it is projected to be on the Chenab in the Jammu region, and does not involve diversion of water for irrigation. It is my understanding that the Indus Waters Treaty allows for this kind of usage. As anybody who has been to the upper reaches of Ladakh and Zanskar (the regions through which the Indus flow in India) can tell you, India has a snowball's chance in hell of being able to make use of the Indus' water.

Sindhu(river indus) After Kala Bag Dam[edit]

Ur pics show good Image of Sindu in World ,But Truth is that If you see current Delta of Sindhu, u would not find Drop of Water,i will Get Picture and Uploaded it here,that Might Help U,u will find dust just dust.i live there i am part of it.So please Add topic ,Sindh with no water Left,i do not agree me ,just read on websites u will find good links and hits about it.

khalidkhoso

Sindhu (River indus)[edit]

Hello dear USer,sindhu(you call it Indus river) is part of Pakistan sindh,so it is in Scope of Pakistan Wikipedia too,so i will add tag of pakistan here so do not mind . —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Khalidkhoso (talkcontribs) 06:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

Modern issues[edit]

Modern are not disscued here,Those are Major for sindhi living in Pakistan Sindh,those are matter death\living to Us.I will add some more issue on it ,if any one any arge he/she can it,i will wait for one day —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Khalidkhoso (talkcontribs) 07:27, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

Indus River[edit]

I thought this article was okay...it wasn't the best thought, it could have included the dissolved oxygen (DO) and the Nitrates, and the Alkalinity. Other wise I thought the article was very informative, very historical, and very well organized. Keep up the good work!! 216.228.51.246 15:11, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Added infobox[edit]

I have added an infobox to the top of the article, it contains important data about the river from the article, if you have any extra info then add it to the relevant fields in the infobox, the infobox template will add/format the information automatically. I used Template:Geobox River for the template. Supaluminal 03:39, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Shendu[edit]

In Shendu, is said that Shendu is also the Chinese name for this river. Why isn't it added? -WarthogDemon 22:33, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Afghanistan Historically is part of the Indus river[edit]

I dont see afghanistan being named as part of the countries who are tied to the river. One Must remember on the grounds, that before pakistan, afghanistan formed the west side of the river and thus the Indus river being the NATURAL boundry between Afghanistan and India. Somebody must take some actions on this.Pashtun786 (talk) 03:36, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Well geographically speaking the Kabul river belongs to the Indus watershed at least.--Kmhkmh (talk) 09:03, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Avestan?[edit]

The Avestan, as mentioned Vendidad, Fargard 1:18, is indeed Hindu (or more properly, hiṇdu), but the Avestan looks like this (third line of definition, directly preceding "Vd. …"), not 'حندو'. If anything, هِندُ might come closer in transliteration, but is still an anachronistic script for the ancient Iranians to have used. Roman transliteration is probably preferable in lieu of an image file utilizing an Avestan font. Khirad (talk) 20:06, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Tributaries[edit]

The list appears wrong to me at least in the usual use of the term tributary. Tthe list contains some rivers which are just tributaries to the tributaries of the Indus (like Beas or Jhelum)---Kmhkmh (talk) 23:54, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

i removed now all rivers which are not direct tributaries to the Indus. In particular the 5 rivers (Jhelum,Chenab,Sutlej,Ravi,Beas) have been replaced by the Panjnad.--Kmhkmh (talk) 11:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

The word "India"[edit]

The article mentions that the term "India" was used only for what is now Pakistan till the arrival of the British:


The word "India" is a reference to the Indus River. In ancient times, "India" referred to the region of modern-day Pakistan along the Indus river which traded extensively with the ancient world. It was only after the arrival of the British in the sixteenth century that name began to be applied to the entire region.


The above is incorrect. The word "India" has been used for most of what is now the Indian Subcontinent, since 300 BC. Megasthenes describes India as the land beyond the Indus, the Indus forming its western boundary.

B.C. c. 300. -- "India then (H( TOI/NUN *)INDIKH\) being four-sided in plan, the side which looks to the Orient and that to the South, the Great Sea compasseth; that towards the Arctic is divided by the mountain chain of Hēmōdus from Scythia, inhabited by that tribe of Scythians who are called Sakai; and on the fourth side, turned towards the West, the Indus marks the boundary, the biggest or nearly so of all rivers after the Nile." -- Megasthenes, in Diodorus, ii. 35. (From Müller's Fragm. Hist. Graec., ii. 402.)

and

c. 590. -- "As for the land of the Hind it is bounded on the East by the Persian Sea (i.e. the Indian Ocean), on the W. and S. by the countries of Islām, and on the N. by the Chinese Empire. . . . The length of the land of the Hind from the government of Mokrān, the country of Manṣūra and Bodha and the rest of Sind, till thou comest to Ḳannūj and thence passest on to Tobbat (see TIBET), is about 4 months, and its breadth from the Indian Ocean to the country of Ḳannūj about three months."-<-> Istakhri, pp. 6 and 11.

and

" "Hind is surrounded on the East by Chín and Máchín, on the West by Sind and Kábul, and on the South by the Sea."-<-> Ibid. in Elliot, i. 45.

source

Junoon53 (talk) 20:49, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

problem with 1 tributaire[edit]

Is Shingo River a tributaire of the Indus river? Its article says that it merges with Suru River (Indus), which in turn merges with Dras River, but the article is not clear on where the merged river ends. --Enric Naval (talk) 23:17, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

According to various Himalaya guides that i checked via Google Books neither Shingo nor Suru are direct tributaries to the Indus, but the Dras is. The somewhat confusing entries that exists here and sometimes elsewhere are due to the fact that some sources (and at one point this article) simply listed tributaries to the Indus rivers system (=any major river whose water at some point reaches the Indus) rather than the actual tributaries to the Indus river itself. I attempted to fix that a while ago, but apparently I missed some or they were falsely introduced later on.--Kmhkmh (talk) 22:30, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Indus River Day[edit]

This section might be somewhat inappropriate in its current form, feel free to improve and shorten it or even to remove it altogether. However don't just blank the section without removing title. I reverted the blanking, may the next editor decide whether it is worth to fix the section or remove it completely.--Kmhkmh (talk) 22:30, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Majority opposed; necessity of move not established. -- Hadal (talk) 09:02, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


Indus RiverIndus – In line with WP:Rivers, River articles may be named "X", "X River", or "River X", depending on location and most common usage. A quick search shows that Indus is the most common name in practice and is the primary usage. Indus currently redirects to this article. Imc (talk) 19:12, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

  • I'm very curious what "quick search" parameters you used, because it seems like it would be very difficult to distinguish the two forms. I do note that Britannica uses "Indus River", as does the New World Encyclopedia, though the Columbia encyclopedia uses just "Indus". Powers T 20:28, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Actually, I composed the text of my first post some days previously when I proposed another rename, at Talk:Kaveri. I did not post it then, and cannot remember my reasoning or recreate the searches now, since originally these searches were mixed with that for 'Kaveri'. I've therefore struck it out. Imc (talk) 06:48, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose -- Googling "Indus" brings up a few possibilities, like the Indus Valley and a software project. The river is obviously the primary topic, but leaving "River" in the name will make it clear what's being referred to. "Indus (river)" might be even better though, allowing for the pipe trick. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:09, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment: According to the GEOnet Names Server (GNS), other place names that start with Indus include Indus Basin, Indus Valley, Indus Plain, Indus Kohistān (region), Indus Branch (stream), Indus Branch (irrigation canal), Indus Minor (stream), Indus Highway, Indus Fan (undersea), and Indus Astor (mountain). As for the river itself, GNS lists names: Indus River (Conventional); Indus (Short); Indus River (Approved - PK, IN); Yin-tu Ho (Approved - CH); Sindhu (Variant). Thought this list of Indus names might be useful here. Pfly (talk) 23:04, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose The current name is in line with guidelines and the suggested move doesn't seem to provide any real improvement. The Indus Redirect however could be changed into a disambiguation page.--Kmhkmh (talk) 00:30, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
The improvement comes because it is already accepted that the river is the primary meaning, as shown by the existing Indus redirect. Imc (talk) 06:48, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Again I see no improvement there and the fact that the redirect should be a disambiguation page is separate from the name of this article and isn't really showing anything. Yes Indus (alone) is a valid name for the river too and in line with guidelines but so is Indus River, hence I see no reason to move it.--Kmhkmh (talk) 07:41, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose Indus River seems the more natural form, more encyclopedic and better English. The Proffesor (talk) 23:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
If the term river is to included, then 'River Indus' seems to be the more natural form and better English to me. I suspect that this is another British / US English thing. Imc (talk)
That not simply not correct, in standard English usually/often River is added after the "real" name and not before. That fact is something you can look up in almost any English map or dictionary. In short Indus or Indus River are acceptable forms, but River Indus though possible too less so (see Britannica's spelling :[1] and compare 845,000 Google Hits for "Indus River" versus 220,000 Google Hits for "River Indus").--Kmhkmh (talk) 07:41, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
I disagree with regard to the positioning of 'river'. In British English, 'river' is almost always added before the river name; it is the 'river Thames' (or the Thames) and not the 'Thames River'. It is different in US usage. You can see many discussions of it on the web such as at [2]. The Indus, flowing through countries originally using British English, can be expected to follow this pattern. The web, by its nature, will be dominated by US English, and US encyclopaedias, which you have quoted. It is sometimes possible to see this in searches, such as when the standard form of the name has changed from the original English form. The names of the river with the modern name Kaveri, compared with its original (unphonetic) British English spelling Cauvery, shows this clearly.
“Kaveri River” - 124,000
“River Kaveri” - 33,000
“Cauvery River” - 74,000
“River Cauvery” - 130,000
Cheers. Imc (talk) 09:37, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Well I was not making about a distinction US english and British English, but I was talking about English in general. Whether the whole is primarily a difference between US and British English I didn't investigate. However the claim that in British English the addon River is always leading rather than trailing (at least within the empire's domain) is simply not correct. You can see by looking at the 1911 edition of the Britannica , which is as British as it gets. While it uses Indus rather than River Indus or Indus River it list one of its major tributaries as Kabul River and not River Kabul, in other words the trailing version exists in British English as well (another example Godavari River ([3])). Also if I restrict my Google search from above to the .uk domain I still get roughly 3 times as much for Indus River (2200 vers 600 Hits). Moreover arguing former British colonies implicate British spelling is a bit condescending. Nevermind that the US was a British colony as well anyhow, more correctly you would need to argue based on the local spelling, i.e. what do most Pakistani English speaking publishers use. Here is an example of recent academic Pakistani-British publication on the Indus using Indus River: [4].
Be all of that as it may, I'm not really arguing that Indus River is more correct (in British English) than Indus or River Indus anyhow. I'm merely arguing Indus River is correct and in line with guidelines, hence there is no good reason to change it. I oppose moving articles around essentially based on personal taste and (at least for me) you have yet to present a convincing reason, why we would need such a move.--Kmhkmh (talk) 15:50, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Translations[edit]

The first paragraph is swamped with translations in multiple languages - is this really necessary given that Wikipedia has different language sections? 87.112.37.51 (talk) 05:50, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

I've just done a quick count - sixteen alternate names in thirteen languages, with nine transliterations, and four more literal meanings. It could definitely do with being pared down, or having almost all the variant names moved into a "Naming" section, keeping two or three in the lead along with the English. The question is which ones to keep in the lead - any suggestions? Shimgray | talk | 23:12, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

about indus river geography[edit]

initial point of indus river ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.113.101.242 (talk) 06:31, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

  • Good question. Tibetans traditionally say a spring named "Sengge Khabab" (Lion's Mouth), and explorer Sven Hedin accepted this. Does anyone know the latitude/longitude coordinates? Chinese scientists using modern satellite imagery have identified a more distal source higher in elevationa and further south [5]. Is this the place identified here on Wikimapia? [6] LADave (talk) 23:33, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Is Senge Khabab at 31.4282N, 81.6146E [7] ? LADave (talk) 22:37, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Orienting Maps[edit]

Do you know what would be nice? If the editors of wikipedia would use maps that actually demonstrate where a geographic entity is located in relation to the rest of the world. This page and every other one like it is useless without orientation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.10.157.53 (talk) 18:10, 11 August 2013 (UTC)